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Now** there’s** a tap dance for you!😃

“No” has two letters. “Yes” has three letters. But to avoid answering, you had to use 15 letters!😛

So I’ll give you another chance. Don’t wear your fingers out this time. Just answer “yes” or “no.”
Given two candidates, one of whom espouses a pro-life position (albeit imperfectly) and one who espouses a pro-choice position, can a Catholic morally vote for the latter?
 
Now** there’s** a tap dance for you!😃

“No” has two letters. “Yes” has three letters. But to avoid answering, you had to use 15 letters!😛

So I’ll give you another chance. Don’t wear your fingers out this time. Just answer “yes” or “no.”
Vern,

It’s not a yes or no question. The fool who espouse the prolife position but does nothing to foster a society where less or no abortions are needed is less desirable than a candidate who claims to be prochoice but does actively create conditions for fewer or no abortions.
 
It’s sad to see catholics who hate republicans more than they love life.

I’d vote for ANYBODY, man or woman, black or white, Dem or Rep., whose stance on issues saved the most lives.

And from a numbers perspective, today, that canidate MUST be pro-life. I don’t care if they support the conflict in Iraq or not. More babies are dying than soldiers or civilians in Iraq.

This ain’t rocket science:shrug:
 
Vern,

It’s not a yes or no question.
Yes, Jim, it is a yes or no question.

The fact that some people will do a tapdance to avoid answering it doesn’t change that.
The fool who espouse the prolife position
The word “fool” is not permitted on this forum.
but does nothing to foster a society where less or no abortions are needed
Thank you for proving my point – even though you refuse to answer the question, you camouflage your refusal by pretending that “abortions are needed.”
is less desirable than a candidate who claims to be prochoice but does actively create conditions for fewer or no abortions.
Precisely **how **does a pro-choice candidate “actively create conditions for fewer or no abortions?”
 
It’s sad to see catholics who hate republicans more than they love life.

I’d vote for ANYBODY, man or woman, black or white, Dem or Rep., whose stance on issues saved the most lives.

And from a numbers perspective, today, that canidate MUST be pro-life. I don’t care if they support the conflict in Iraq or not. More babies are dying than soldiers or civilians in Iraq.

This ain’t rocket science:shrug:
But are we not permitted to write in a candidate when we are dissatisfied with th other options? I will write in myself since I find things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty very antilife.
 
Yes, Jim, it is a yes or no question.

The fact that some people will do a tapdance to avoid answering it doesn’t change that.

The word “fool” is not permitted on this forum.

Thank you for proving my point – even though you refuse to answer the question, you camouflage your refusal by pretending that “abortions are needed.”

Precisely **how **does a pro-choice candidate “actively create conditions for fewer or no abortions?”
Now who is reading minds with their crystal ball? I never said abortions are needed. But it is wrong just to go in and make it a criminal act without backing it up with alternatives like paying the less fortunate couples to carry their babies to term. Put the money where the mouth is.
 
Now** there’s** a tap dance for you!😃

“No” has two letters. “Yes” has three letters. But to avoid answering, you had to use 15 letters!😛

So I’ll give you another chance. Don’t wear your fingers out this time. Just answer “yes” or “no.”
I’m not going to fall into your fool’s trap. Of COURSE I won’t vote for a pro-choice politician. That does not mean, however, that I would vote for a candidate who claims to be anti-abortion while espousing an ideology that does every thing possible to prevent a society where human life, as opposed to say, material wealth or power, is the thing most valued.
 
But are we not permitted to write in a candidate when we are dissatisfied with th other options? I will write in myself since I find things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty very antilife.
Well that non-vote may very well help elect just what you DON’T want.

Lesser of evils is how to vote.

Nothing today is killing more people than abortion.

Our catholic duty is to do our best to eliminate the slaughter of children.

I’m sorry you won’t participate because you find Iraq unpalatable. It’s funny, most of our soldiers there don’t share your opinion.🤷
 
Now who is reading minds with their crystal ball? I never said abortions are needed.
If you didn’t, then someone posted this under your name:
The fool who espouse the prolife position but does nothing to foster a society where less or no **abortions are needed **is less desirable than a candidate who claims to be prochoice but does actively create conditions for fewer or no abortions.
(my emphasis)
But it is wrong just to go in and make it a criminal act without backing it up with alternatives like paying the less fortunate couples to carry their babies to term. Put the money where the mouth is.
And that ties right in with the “abortions are needed” argument. Shame on you!

And shame on you for pretending that “alternatives” are not available.
 
Well that non-vote may very well help elect just what you DON’T want.

Lesser of evils is how to vote.

Nothing today is killing more people than abortion.

Our catholic duty is to do our best to eliminate the slaughter of children.

I’m sorry you won’t participate because you find Iraq unpalatable. It’s funny, most of our soldiers there don’t share your opinion.🤷
I will not vote for a candidate who sends men off to die in an unnecessary war yet pretends to be prolife. I want a candidate who is prolife across the board. If I am the only one to fit that description I will vote for myself. That is an informed conscience and no vote is ever wasted.😛
 
I’d vote for ANYBODY, man or woman, black or white, Dem or Rep., whose stance on issues saved the most lives.
So, it’s all about the stance on abortion. Sounds like “symbolism over substance,” to quote a right-wing favorite.

Again, would I vote for a pro-choice candidate in the face of one claiming anti-abortion? Absolutely NOT. That means that I will also examine the anti-abortion candidate to see whether or not their ideology, when enacted, will work to create a society where human life and needs are more important than the acquisition of material wealth or power. Period.
 
If you didn’t, then someone posted this under your name:

(my emphasis)

And that ties right in with the “abortions are needed” argument. Shame on you!

And shame on you for pretending that “alternatives” are not available.
When everyone on the conservative side is so interested in slashing the budget more than actually supporting life I find it hard to believe they are anything more than just prolife in word only.
 
So, it’s all about the stance on abortion. Sounds like “symbolism over substance,” to quote a right-wing favorite.

Again, would I vote for a pro-choice candidate in the face of one claiming anti-abortion? Absolutely NOT. That means that I will also examine the anti-abortion candidate to see whether or not their ideology, when enacted, will work to create a society where human life and needs are more important than the acquisition of material wealth or power. Period.
Sounds like you and I are in agreement on this one.😉
 
When everyone on the conservative side is so interested in slashing the budget more than actually supporting life I find it hard to believe they are anything more than just prolife in word only.
Which is why the canard that “Republicans are pro-life because they are opposed to federal funding of abortions” is hollow. It’s not motivated by pro-life core beliefs, it’s motivated by anti-government beliefs. They’re opposed to the federal funding of ANYTHING (except the military, whose job it is to “kill people and break things”).
 
When everyone on the conservative side is so interested in slashing the budget more than actually supporting life I find it hard to believe they are anything more than just prolife in word only.
And with everyone on the liberal side making false claims like that, and saying that abortion is necessary, I find it hard to believe they are anything more than pro-choice, even though some will jump through hoops to avoid admitting it.
 
Vern,

It’s not a yes or no question. The fool who espouse the prolife position but does nothing to foster a society where less or no abortions are needed is less desirable than a candidate who claims to be prochoice but does actively create conditions for fewer or no abortions.
If a person supported pediophilia would you vote for them if they say they will actively create conditions so there are fewer or no child molestations?

If a person supports rape would you vote for them if they say they will actively create conditions so there are fewer or no rapes?

Or is it only in the killing of children that you believe there are conditions where you can vote for somebody that supports it

A person who supports abortion is so morally flawed that they are unfit to hold elected office at any level.
 
And with everyone on the liberal side making false claims like that, and saying that abortion is necessary, I find it hard to believe they are anything more than pro-choice, even though some will jump through hoops to avoid admitting it.
Abortion is not necessary. But the conservatives should cough up some support for life financially. Actions speak louder than words.
 
But are we not permitted to write in a candidate when we are dissatisfied with th other options? I will write in myself since I find things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty very antilife.
Hello GoofyJim

I am wondering which you would consider more anti-life;
  1. The dismemberment of an innocent unborn child.
  2. The killing of a enemy soldier on a battlefield of a war such as WW!! where the killing soldier is putting his/her life on the line to preserve the safety of others.
  3. Executing a serial killer who if left on the streets would continue killing.
Number 1 is specifically condemned by the Catholic Church
Number 2 & 3 are not.

If you pick #1 you are in dispute with the Catholic Church.

I bet I know what your answer is before you respond. You will probably attempt to classify the three situations a equal to justify the murder of the child.
 
When everyone on the conservative side is so interested in slashing the budget more than actually supporting life I find it hard to believe they are anything more than just prolife in word only.
Can you point to be any social program that has been cut since 2000? And even if your premise were true surely you are not suggesting that children are better dead than underfed?
 
So, it’s all about the stance on abortion. Sounds like “symbolism over substance,” to quote a right-wing favorite.

Again, would I vote for a pro-choice candidate in the face of one claiming anti-abortion? Absolutely NOT. That means that I will also examine the anti-abortion candidate to see whether or not their ideology, when enacted, will work to create a society where human life and needs are more important than the acquisition of material wealth or power. Period.
As a voter it is our responsibility to check voting records.

Stop overanalyzing the word ‘stance’.

Frankly, it’s insulting that you would infer I’m not bright enough to know a canidates position:mad:

See, I tell you I’d vote across party lines on issues and your immediate reply back throws out the words ‘right-wing’.

What should I infer from that?:confused:
 
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