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vern_humphrey
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So it’s okay to murder them at the rate of 1.2 million a year?
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estesbob
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And since you believe it to be so it must be true right? I’m still waiting for you to explain to me how one can claim to be pro-life, support abortion, and idolize Peter Singer.
By the way I have daughter named Gina and she is very efficient. Is that what you’re talking about above or you just dropping big words to show us how terribly smart and clever you are? But then I guess a guy who used to play video games in Japanese must be about as smart as they get
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estesbob
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As long as they don’t suffer. I guess that means if you put your two year old under general anesthesia its okay to kill them to.
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vern_humphrey
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What’s the difference between a pro-choice defender and a holocaust denier?
The holocaust denier doesn’t pretend killing innocent people is the right thing to do.
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ribozyme
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A Gini coefficient is a measure of inequality within a nation.
I am pro-life because I believe that humans have a right to live as long as they wish to.
Well, Peter Singer and Michael Tooley argue they are not people.
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I’m aware of that. But it has nothing to do with this topic
Once they escape from the womb, correct?
When one has no moral comapss they are likely to buy into any kind nonsense.
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bilop
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I think the key distinction on this issue is that the LIFE issues, these things are firmly within the realm of government responsibility. Only the government can protect life, regulate marriage etc.
The social justice issues, however, need not be a government responsibility. The Catholic teaching is that WE as INDIVIDUALS and as the Church are responsible for helping the poor and the sick.
God Bless
The social justice issues, however, need not be a government responsibility. The Catholic teaching is that WE as INDIVIDUALS and as the Church are responsible for helping the poor and the sick.
God Bless
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SpiritMeadow
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Sorry, but I don’t think its uncharitable to state the truth. Some here do expouse a position of this being non-negociable as this forum likes to say. I personally don’t say that this is wrong at all, but I do say its not right to treat people who disagree with the kind of disdain that some here do. And you cannot deny that some here react with such sarcasm and venom that I simply refuse to talk with such people any more.
I certainly don’t so intend, its just that most here who espouse the forum doctrine of non-negociability also claim they will vote Republican unless that candidate is also pro-choice. There is sad to say no viable 3rd party at the present time. If you dislike them both, well, I’m happy to say, I agree.
No, that’s not what I mean at all. What I object to is the blatant sarcasm and the claim by the other side that anyone who disagrees with them is some murder loving leftist wacko. And surely you don’t deny some do that here. I think its fine to make a determination that for you or anyone, a issue trumps all others. I didn’t think I did agree with such a position, but my husband has convinced me I’m wrong, and given the right issue, I too might well find it a deal breaker. So I respect the choice, what I object to is the attempt made to make anyone who disagrees some horrific person. Trying to make people feel guilty by a long and bloody description using language of “ripping arms and legs off innocent babies and throwing their torn and mangled bodies into the trash” is unnecessary to make a point. I don’t approve of that kind of persuasion and actually it works to the disadvantage of the speaker.
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vern_humphrey
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That’s what the Nazis said about the Jews – they classified them as “untermenchen” or “sub-humans.”
And that’s what happens in every crime against humanity. The idea that we can argue that some people are not people has justified every crime you can imagine, from African slavery to the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
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Scians_Daughter
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I am new, and oh so Green, however, I would appreciate when anyone responds to my post that you take a minute to understand the question. I am not here to “Wage War” on any one or any issue or any Particular Party. Please when refering to a Polical/Moral issue be careful not to stereotype any particular member of that Party or accuse that person of having a belief system based on what someone has conjured up. For example, calling the Democrats “Pro Abortion” is not a statement of truth. Truth being they are “Pro-Choice”. We all know that Pro Choice can lead to the Murder of the innocent and precious unborn child. Murder is Murder. I do not believe in Abortion, or Murder, or Unjust War, or Euphanasia. I am a Democrate and a Catholic and I would never vote for anyone that would believe it was legal to take any life, especially the innocent.
I am a Democrat and Catholic and I am tired of the Far Right calling me a liberal, again stereotyping. I am in no way a liberal. The worse thing to happen to his Society(or at least Women, and the Family) was the Womens Movement. The bottom line or shall I say point that I want to make is that not one single elected official has the power to overturn Roe Vs. Wade. That is to be decided and was decided in the Judicial Branch of our Government called the Supreme Court. The Court is now stacked with Republican appointed"Conservative" Justices who in no way seem to be concerned with overturning Roe V. Wade. I have not seen or heard of any Republican "Conservative Elected Official nor Democrat try to present a Bill to the Senate or Congress to undo the "Law of the Land"Roe Vs. Wade, or even to make it a State or Local issue. I am sorry, but it seems that too many people, obviously do not understand the Powers of our beloved Branches of Government Executive(Onyly has the Power of Veto, Wage War, and make Political Appointments) Legislative, and Judicial( Supreme Court). Roe vs. Wade is a Supreme Court decision. We can bash the Democrats until the Cows come home and it won’t change the truth of the matter.
I made a big mistake, by asking if it was acceptable to be a Catholic and a Democrat at the same time? I am sorry to have offended so many people. I didn’t realize that I was walking into a minefield.
I am a Democrat and Catholic and I am tired of the Far Right calling me a liberal, again stereotyping. I am in no way a liberal. The worse thing to happen to his Society(or at least Women, and the Family) was the Womens Movement. The bottom line or shall I say point that I want to make is that not one single elected official has the power to overturn Roe Vs. Wade. That is to be decided and was decided in the Judicial Branch of our Government called the Supreme Court. The Court is now stacked with Republican appointed"Conservative" Justices who in no way seem to be concerned with overturning Roe V. Wade. I have not seen or heard of any Republican "Conservative Elected Official nor Democrat try to present a Bill to the Senate or Congress to undo the "Law of the Land"Roe Vs. Wade, or even to make it a State or Local issue. I am sorry, but it seems that too many people, obviously do not understand the Powers of our beloved Branches of Government Executive(Onyly has the Power of Veto, Wage War, and make Political Appointments) Legislative, and Judicial( Supreme Court). Roe vs. Wade is a Supreme Court decision. We can bash the Democrats until the Cows come home and it won’t change the truth of the matter.
I made a big mistake, by asking if it was acceptable to be a Catholic and a Democrat at the same time? I am sorry to have offended so many people. I didn’t realize that I was walking into a minefield.
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JMBNH
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Having read this thread it sounds like the Democrats are more pro death than either of our major parties, who as far as I know have no official policy (and both parties have pro life members in relatively significant positions as far as I know, though not an expert) and let controversial moral issues be up to people’s own conscience, though what that means in practice I’m not sure, but they’d both tend towards pro abortion as far as I know
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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I think it is acceptable to be a Dem or Rep or what ever political party you chose to belong and Be Catholic. the important thing is to not just vote the party ( no mater what party it is) vote the person. Use the measuring sticks given to by God Christ and his Church. Also my personal advise from experience is to just state that is vote the person when asked about which party i belong to. Great thing about this counrty is that its no ones business.I am new, and oh so Green, however, I would appreciate when anyone responds to my post that you take a minute to understand the question. I am not here to “Wage War” on any one or any issue or any Particular Party. Please when refering to a Polical/Moral issue be careful not to stereotype any particular member of that Party or accuse that person of having a belief system based on what someone has conjured up. For example, calling the Democrats “Pro Abortion” is not a statement of truth. Truth being they are “Pro-Choice”. We all know that Pro Choice can lead to the Murder of the innocent and precious unborn child. Murder is Murder. I do not believe in Abortion, or Murder, or Unjust War, or Euphanasia. I am a Democrate and a Catholic and I would never vote for anyone that would believe it was legal to take any life, especially the innocent.
I am a Democrat and Catholic and I am tired of the Far Right calling me a liberal, again stereotyping. I am in no way a liberal. The worse thing to happen to his Society(or at least Women, and the Family) was the Womens Movement. The bottom line or shall I say point that I want to make is that not one single elected official has the power to overturn Roe Vs. Wade. That is to be decided and was decided in the Judicial Branch of our Government called the Supreme Court. The Court is now stacked with Republican appointed"Conservative" Justices who in no way seem to be concerned with overturning Roe V. Wade. I have not seen or heard of any Republican "Conservative Elected Official nor Democrat try to present a Bill to the Senate or Congress to undo the "Law of the Land"Roe Vs. Wade, or even to make it a State or Local issue. I am sorry, but it seems that too many people, obviously do not understand the Powers of our beloved Branches of Government Executive(Onyly has the Power of Veto, Wage War, and make Political Appointments) Legislative, and Judicial( Supreme Court). Roe vs. Wade is a Supreme Court decision. We can bash the Democrats until the Cows come home and it won’t change the truth of the matter.
I made a big mistake, by asking if it was acceptable to be a Catholic and a Democrat at the same time? I am sorry to have offended so many people. I didn’t realize that I was walking into a minefield.
God bless and Good luck in you Bible study group I am sure things will return back to normal.
Peace in the Lord
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vern_humphrey
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But remember, Congress works through committees. The Committee Chairmen, who are the senior members of the majority party have extraordinary power – for example, when the bill outlawing Partial Birth law passed the House in 2001, it went to the Senate and 60 Senators signed on as co-sponsors. So it passed, right?
No. It never came to a vote – it was blocked in committee.
So when you vote for Smith from Minnesota, remember, you’re also voting for Jones from New Mexico – a senior member of his party – to be give extraordinary powers.
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SpiritMeadow
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Hopefully it will never be wrong to ask a question and state an opinion. We are all different and we all see the world slightly differently than anyone else. We are constantly moving in and out of agreement with ideas, each other, and sometimes even ourselves. I agree that it is wrong to condemn whole groups of people, that generally always turns out badly. Better to identify what you don’t like and stick to that.I am new, and oh so Green, however, I would appreciate when anyone responds to my post that you take a minute to understand the question. I am not here to “Wage War” on any one or any issue or any Particular Party. Please when refering to a Polical/Moral issue be careful not to stereotype any particular member of that Party or accuse that person of having a belief system based on what someone has conjured up. For example, calling the Democrats “Pro Abortion” is not a statement of truth. Truth being they are “Pro-Choice”. We all know that Pro Choice can lead to the Murder of the innocent and precious unborn child. Murder is Murder. I do not believe in Abortion, or Murder, or Unjust War, or Euphanasia. I am a Democrate and a Catholic and I would never vote for anyone that would believe it was legal to take any life, especially the innocent.
I am a Democrat and Catholic and I am tired of the Far Right calling me a liberal, again stereotyping. I am in no way a liberal. The worse thing to happen to his Society(or at least Women, and the Family) was the Womens Movement. The bottom line or shall I say point that I want to make is that not one single elected official has the power to overturn Roe Vs. Wade. That is to be decided and was decided in the Judicial Branch of our Government called the Supreme Court. The Court is now stacked with Republican appointed"Conservative" Justices who in no way seem to be concerned with overturning Roe V. Wade. I have not seen or heard of any Republican "Conservative Elected Official nor Democrat try to present a Bill to the Senate or Congress to undo the "Law of the Land"Roe Vs. Wade, or even to make it a State or Local issue. I am sorry, but it seems that too many people, obviously do not understand the Powers of our beloved Branches of Government Executive(Onyly has the Power of Veto, Wage War, and make Political Appointments) Legislative, and Judicial( Supreme Court). Roe vs. Wade is a Supreme Court decision. We can bash the Democrats until the Cows come home and it won’t change the truth of the matter.
I made a big mistake, by asking if it was acceptable to be a Catholic and a Democrat at the same time? I am sorry to have offended so many people. I didn’t realize that I was walking into a minefield.
Please don’t feel insulted. Many here are very nice, in fact most are. Some of them, and me too get too excited sometimes and we are rude and unkind. I know that I am…but tomorrow we can try to be better.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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And all I can do is pray that the person that I vote for remains faithful to the positions and stances that he took prior to election to get my vote And that he votes the issue and not the party line. I can not vote for a candidate for any office based only on their party. That is being irresponsible. you have to look at the person more than just the party.But remember, Congress works through committees. The Committee Chairmen, who are the senior members of the majority party have extraordinary power – for example, when the bill outlawing Partial Birth law passed the House in 2001, it went to the Senate and 60 Senators signed on as co-sponsors. So it passed, right?
No. It never came to a vote – it was blocked in committee.
So when you vote for Smith from Minnesota, remember, you’re also voting for Jones from New Mexico – a senior member of his party – to be give extraordinary powers.
Peace in the Lord
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vern_humphrey
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But you are obliged to look beyond the effects of your vote. There are many ramifications – are you voting to put a pro-abortion politician in a position of extraordinary power? Or perhaps you have weighed that and decided the your vote will show that party that a pro-choice candidate can win?
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mary_bobo
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True, but a failed policy. You can, most certainly, vote for the person and that person’s intentions and preferences may be in line with your own. But that person has only one vote and that person’s party rules the day if it is the majority party. In voting for a person, even though they say they believe as you do, you are disregarding the party that may/may not think as you do. That is the way our system works and too many people, in my opinion, forget that or never knew it in the first place.
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