Political Party in Re: to Catholicism

[SpiritMeadow]

I am no fan of Hannity’s on many issues, but I think many of the people who lived in the area and thru 9/11 are more realistic about what happened then than those of us who were fortunate enough to be removed from the scene. I think it is uncharitable to say someone has no scruples. You do not know him personally. And if you can name and prove a network more fair and balanced, I would surely like to know where. In news delivery FNC has it all over the others. Opinion shows such as Hannity’s are another matter.

Well apparently he has none per some who have posted that he is Catholic and yet supported a pro-choice candidate. FOX fair and balanced? Only to the far right are they far. I wonder what the Religious right will do given this new blend of news with personal politics. Many if not most of the news is lousy, but Fox is the ultimate in purely republican rhetoric. That’s just the point some miss. Fox doesn’t really care about the Religious right, they care about the republicans. and the republicans only care about the religious right insofar as they continue to vote republican. Fox is already losing in the ratings.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Nobody supports abortion???There are 1.,2 million a year and the Demcorat party has the right to taxpayer funded abortions enshrined in their platform. Is that your rartionalization-you dont support killing children-you just support the right of others to do so?

Again you duck the question. Why do you support those who beleive it a fundamental right to chop a child into little peices and throw them out with the garbage(Im sorry-perhaps I should have been more senitive and said those who support a womans sacred right to choose)

Yes you heard me correctly. Nobody supports abortion. Many do however support the right to choose. You’re attempt to turn this to me is inappropriate. I am not rationalizing anything.

I will not address your continuing desire to subject every reader to this dispicable display you admit doesn’t help you cause and is merely your way of expressing your deep hatred. I’m not here to help you work out your aggression. It’s actually quite distressing that you recognize that your efforts in this vein are counterproductive but continue anyway. I’m sure you reconcile this somehow.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Indeed, the Dems do. They provide services to many folks who could and should afford their own. They both give no-bid conracts to their buddies and sometimes there happens to be only one company that can provide the needed services. You have bought into the liberal mantra well.

Is that what you tell yourself about Haliburton and Bechtel? Perhaps you have bought the conservative mantra. I especially like the one about the poor are only poor because they are lazy.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Except, of course, that they don’t actually do those things. They do, however, talk quite a bit about being supportive of them.

I could be wrong here, but I believe the “No Child Left Behind” funding was a Bush initiative, as was the extension of unemployment insurance for the Katrina victims. And, of course, there were those debit cards, hotels and cruise ships. They mobile homes didn’t work out too well, but they were there. Well, then too, he aided the steelworkers by limiting imported steel. And, of course, Medicare prescription coverage was a Bush initiative. And every bit of it was under a Republican Congress.

Not taking the Republican party line here, my friend, and I could say plenty negative about the Repubs, but this “Democrats are the party of education, healthcare, cute puppies, and flowers and the Republicans are the party of rugged individualism, independence, cowboys and lofty mountain peaks” is Madison Avenue image creation.

Judge by what they actually do. Get past the hype, and maybe you’ll see that this next election is almost certainly going to be about respect for unborn humans, and not much more. Face it. Clear your mind and take moral responsibility for your vote.

Actually I believe it all means about nothing now. The Iowa caucuses said it all. Republicans are so doomed this year its actually sad to see them waste the money. There is a thorough, deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

What I find fascinating is that when Iraq is mentioned, nobody dares claim that the Vatican has endorsed the war, no, they know better than that. But they sure remind everybody that it hasn’t been condemned as unjust so they are I guess free to continue approving of this mismanaged bloodbath directed by Washington. Go to a torture discussion, and we find the same folks saying, the Vatican doesn’t tell us that waterboarding is torture, so we can still use it. Go to the death penalty thread—the same people…we can still demand death for pure “justice” because the Vatican hasn’t stopped us yet. Some life issues just aren’t the same it seems.

And on the other side, those who are conflicted about whether they have the right to interfer with settled law that most people seem to adher to are quick to declare this war unjust, quick to condemn waterboarding and other similar techniques as barbaric and unworthy of human endeavor, and find the death penalty equally barbaric and cruel.

I wonder if one side feels more morally upright than the other? I’m wondering if either side is entitled to feel so? Do you really think it all just comes down to whether one side technically followed the Church “perfectly” at least in law if not intent or not. Gosh I just don’t think so. but of course its only my opinon.

 

[marci]

Actually I believe it all means about nothing now. The Iowa caucuses said it all. Republicans are so doomed this year its actually sad to see them waste the money. There is a thorough, deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals.

The Iowa caucus means nothing. Niether winner will be offered up in the general election. Iowa is one little part of the country and not a single winner in the last couple of elections went on to grab the presidency.
This was stated wrong. I got bad info. Sorry to all.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Yes you heard me correctly. Nobody supports abortion. Many do however support the right to choose. You’re attempt to turn this to me is inappropriate. I am not rationalizing anything.

It is intellectually dishonest to pretend that being pro-choice is not the same thing as being pro-abortion.

Note that the pro-choice people in Congress want to guarentee taxpayer-supported abortion. You can’t hardly get more pro-abortion than to force other people to pay for it!

I will not address your continuing desire to subject every reader to this dispicable display you admit doesn’t help you cause and is merely your way of expressing your deep hatred. I’m not here to help you work out your aggression. It’s actually quite distressing that you recognize that your efforts in this vein are counterproductive but continue anyway. I’m sure you reconcile this somehow.

How did you get to be so much holier than everyone else?

 

[gkroeger]

Well apparently he has none per some who have posted that he is Catholic and yet supported a pro-choice candidate. FOX fair and balanced? Only to the far right are they far. I wonder what the Religious right will do given this new blend of news with personal politics. Many if not most of the news is lousy, but Fox is the ultimate in purely republican rhetoric. That’s just the point some miss. Fox doesn’t really care about the Religious right, they care about the republicans. and the republicans only care about the religious right insofar as they continue to vote republican. Fox is already losing in the ratings.

It is amazing how successful the original big three networks have been in convincing the general public that THEY are fair and balanced. Until FOX came along many people thought that NBC, CBS. ABC, & CNN were reporting fair and accurately when in fact they and the majority of the print media, have been supporting the left leaning agenda for many years. Now when a network appears that truly presents both sides of most issues, the leftists start hollering right wing bias.

As far as ratings are concerned, just check the ratings of each network and see who commands the most support. People may be slow to learn but they do learn.

Yes you heard me correctly. Nobody supports abortion. Many do however support the right to choose. You’re attempt to turn this to me is inappropriate. I am not rationalizing anything.

I will not address your continuing desire to subject every reader to this dispicable display you admit doesn’t help you cause and is merely your way of expressing your deep hatred. I’m not here to help you work out your aggression. It’s actually quite distressing that you recognize that your efforts in this vein are counterproductive but continue anyway. I’m sure you reconcile this somehow.

What kind of double speak is this? If nobody supported abortion, their would be no abortion. I think if you have an abortion, you must be for it or why would you do it? Or are you suggesting that all women who have abortions are somehow forced into having the abortion by some other person who also does not support abortion? Wow, I can’t believe I even had to say that.

Is that what you tell yourself about Haliburton and Bechtel? Perhaps you have bought the conservative mantra. I especially like the one about the poor are only poor because they are lazy.

Lets say it again… MANTRAS ARE NOT THE SOLE PROPERTY OF REPUBLICANS. Surely everyone can see this.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Actually I believe it all means about nothing now. The Iowa caucuses said it all. Republicans are so doomed this year its actually sad to see them waste the money. There is a thorough, deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals.

We’ll see how doomed anyone is when the votes come in. For sure a lot of money is going to be wasted by a lot of people.

“Band of criminals???” Wouldn’t be pulling it just a bit long there, would you?

Just do what you’re going to do, and take responsibility for what your vote really means.

 

[estesbob]

Yes you heard me correctly. Nobody supports abortion. Many do however support the right to choose. You’re attempt to turn this to me is inappropriate. I am not rationalizing anything.

I will not address your continuing desire to subject every reader to this dispicable display you admit doesn’t help you cause and is merely your way of expressing your deep hatred. I’m not here to help you work out your aggression. It’s actually quite distressing that you recognize that your efforts in this vein are counterproductive but continue anyway. I’m sure you reconcile this somehow.

Right to choose? The the right to “choohse” what? To systematically butcher children. , correct?That what the euphanism “choice” (which you hide behind) is all about.

Your continued refusal to answer why you would even think of supporting someone who aids and abetes the dismembering and callous diposal of children is noted. it is also noted, again, that you apparently have much contempt for those who have the gall to describe exactly what abortion entails than you do for those who actualy do the dismembering and throw the remains in the garbage.

 

[gkroeger]

Yes you heard me correctly. Nobody supports abortion. Many do however support the right to choose. You’re attempt to turn this to me is inappropriate. I am not rationalizing anything.

I will not address your continuing desire to subject every reader to this dispicable display you admit doesn’t help you cause and is merely your way of expressing your deep hatred. I’m not here to help you work out your aggression. It’s actually quite distressing that you recognize that your efforts in this vein are counterproductive but continue anyway. I’m sure you reconcile this somehow.

I wonder if a new neutral individual were to come on and read this post; which person do you think they would believe is “expressing their deep hatred and working out their aggression.”?

 

[rlg94086]

Actually I believe it all means about nothing now. The Iowa caucuses said it all. Republicans are so doomed this year its actually sad to see them waste the money. There is a thorough, deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals.

That’s funny, I thought the elections are in November.

I see we are counting our chicks before they are hatched…careful, you might get egg on your face. A lot can happen between now and November.

And, the “deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals” is only in the 1/4-1/3 of the country that are die-hard, partisan Democrats or far-right cranks. Others are a little more balanced in their descriptions, even if they are unhappy with the current president and his cabinet.

 

[estesbob]

I wonder if a new neutral individual were to come on and read this post; which person do you think they would believe is “expressing their deep hatred and working out their aggression.”?

I wonder why we dont see the same amount of anger and agression expressed by him at those who support this abject evil as he does those who dare to shatter the euphanisms he hides behind.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I wonder why we dont see the same amount of anger and agression expressed by him at those who support this abject evil as he does those who dare to shatter the euphanisms he hides behind.

This happens all the time, remember? It’s like the change of the seasons – predictable.

 

[estesbob]

This happens all the time, remember? It’s like the change of the seasons – predictable.

It’s the same thiing we see in the graphic abortion picture threads. Intense anger at those you show the pictures-t little or no anger towards those who bought about what the pictures depict.

 

[vern_humphrey]

It’s the same thiing we see in the graphic abortion picture threads. Intense anger at those you show the pictures-t little or no anger towards those who bought about what the pictures depict.

Anger and vituperation appears to be their substitute for logical discourse.

Why else would someone post something like this?

There is a thorough, deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals.

 

[Amolibri]

Is that why Peter Singer is one of you idols? Or was that a passing fad?

Bob: Just who is Peter Singer??? Never heard of him.

S.D. the OP…I don’t think there can be a discussion such as the one you tried to start…without some people going into partisan political “yelling”…and jumping to conclusions.

thanks, Alessandro, for your info. I can add: Catholics for the Common Good www.catholicsforcommongood.org who have also published a voters’ guide.

 

[mary_bobo]

Actually I believe it all means about nothing now. The Iowa caucuses said it all. Republicans are so doomed this year its actually sad to see them waste the money. There is a thorough, deep and abiding disgust for Bush and his band of criminals.

I think you are reading much too much into the Iowa caucuses. And you negate any legitimacy you have by name-calling. Shall we now talk about some Dem “criminals”.

 

[mary_bobo]

Is that what you tell yourself about Haliburton and Bechtel? Perhaps you have bought the conservative mantra. I especially like the one about the poor are only poor because they are lazy.

Please do not read into my posts what you want them to say.

 

[mary_bobo]

Well apparently he has none per some who have posted that he is Catholic and yet supported a pro-choice candidate. FOX fair and balanced? Only to the far right are they far. I wonder what the Religious right will do given this new blend of news with personal politics. Many if not most of the news is lousy, but Fox is the ultimate in purely republican rhetoric. That’s just the point some miss. Fox doesn’t really care about the Religious right, they care about the republicans. and the republicans only care about the religious right insofar as they continue to vote republican. Fox is already losing in the ratings.

Don’t quit your day job. Don’t think you will make it as a media critic.