Political Party in Re: to Catholicism

[goofyjim]

Those that can’t afford it? Ever thought about telling them to go out and get a second job delivering pizzas or something instead of holding ME up by robbing it out of my pension. Tell them to turn in their plasma TVs, cable boxes, internet, vacations etc, and got a get a job! That’s a foreign concept to many people in this country nowdays, that you might hafta to work a little extra sometime, that the people that advocate that are shouted down as cruel.

I’m thinkin a guy can make a 1000 bucks a month delivering pizza? That can’t give that job away, because some folks in this country feel entitled to “free” healthcare?

The dems will have you believe there are millions and millions without healthcare, just not so. ITS CALLED THE ER, and every tom, wilbur, and harry including illegals are showing up at the door demanding and receiving treatment.

I don’t seperate the issues. I don’t compromise on them to get something. I don’t believe in abortion, stem cell, open borders, crazy gun control, raising taxes, soft on terror, govt handouts, and big programs to solve all our problems. The less govt the better. I feel best when Congress is out on recess, cos then I know they’re not up there messing stuff up.

I believe in helping my neighbor, all I ask is let me decide who I feel needs my help. You have to work *really *hard in this country to be poor. That can’t give away 10 dollar a hour jobs around here. Working poor? The dems call that a guy that only has ONE car, no internet, no cable tv, living in a house 1500 sq ft. Someone needs to take these people show them some REALLY poor folks.

Look I’m just a retired firefighter living on a pension (a good one) my wife is a sales clerk, together we make a little more then 100k a year, and the dems call me rich??!! LOL and want even more of my money to buy votes!! Frankly I’m tired of it.

Yet I see no opposition to the 4100 raise for the conressmen.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Yet I see no opposition to the 4100 raise for the conressmen.

Have you contacted your congressman to oppose the raise?

Have you organized your friends and neighbors to oppose the raise?

 

[goofyjim]

Have you contacted your congressman to oppose the raise?

Have you organized your friends and neighborst to oppose the raise?

Working on it already.

 

[BamaRider]

Yet I see no opposition to the 4100 raise for the conressmen.

Thats only cos I forgot, not for that either.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Working on it already.

Then that’ll make two of us.

But the time to defeat this nonsense was when they did the end-run around the 27th Amendment.

They no longer vote themselves raises – they passed a law so they get automatic Cost of Living Allowances (COLAs) without voting on anything. The only vote is if they decide to (ha, ha) block the COLA – and the block is only for one term.

 

[ribozyme]

I believe in helping my neighbor, all I ask is let me decide who I feel needs my help. You have to work *really * hard in this country to be poor. That can’t give away 10 dollar a hour jobs around here. Working poor? The dems call that a guy that only has ONE car, no internet, no cable tv, living in a house 1500 sq ft. Someone needs to take these people show them some REALLY poor folks.

Well, I would be concerned with only ONE car (assuming that it is a two income household where the couple has jobs in discrete locations) and a lack of Internet (as they would be denied access to Paul Krugman’s op-eds on the NYtimes website [joking of course, but the Internet provides one with a virtually unlimited source of information]). I am not concerned with cable TV (IMO, it seems that Internet access replaces it). Too many things for me to read so I rarely watch any television now.

I do not think the housing size concerns me; Japan has it worse, but I guess that is one sacrifice one has to pay with a country with a low Gini coefficient.

The only conservative agendas I agree with is immigration reduction, and the war on drugs. I guess border control will provide solutions to both of those issues.

 

[goofyjim]

Well, I would be concerned with only ONE car (assuming that it is a two income household where the couple has jobs in discrete locations) and a lack of Internet (as they would be denied access to Paul Krugman’s op-eds on the NYtimes website [joking of course, but the Internet provides one with a virtually unlimited source of information]). I am not concerned with cable TV (IMO, it seems that Internet access replaces it). Too many things for me to read so I rarely watch any television now.

I do not think the housing size concerns me; Japan has it worse, but I guess that is one sacrifice one has to pay with a country with a low Gini coefficient.

The only conservative agendas I agree with is immigration reduction, and the war on drugs. I guess border control will provide solutions to both of those issues.

And how does one make 1000 bucks delivering pizza when they have no car or are disabled and unable to work. There is limited thinking and some people just take pride in what they have and nobody else should have it unless they have been blessed as well.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Absolutely correct.

Despite those who would pretend the Fallacy of Limited Alternatives (“if you reject A, you **must **accept B”) is a valid process, we are quite capable of examining and analyzing many alternatives.

If there are candiates who meet the test of Pope Benedict’s non-negotiables, we examine them to determine the one who best satisfies the many other criteria we can legitimately apply.

If no candidates meet the test, then we examine them to determine who would do the least damage.

There’s a third way of looking at it. People who claim to adhere to the non-negotiables only pay lip service to them in order to buy our votes. I cannot vote for such people.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Those that can’t afford it? Ever thought about telling them to go out and get a second job delivering pizzas or something instead of holding ME up by robbing it out of my pension. Tell them to turn in their plasma TVs, cable boxes, internet, vacations etc, and got a get a job! That’s a foreign concept to many people in this country nowdays, that you might hafta to work a little extra sometime, that the people that advocate that are shouted down as cruel.

I’m thinkin a guy can make a 1000 bucks a month delivering pizza? That can’t give that job away, because some folks in this country feel entitled to “free” healthcare?

The dems will have you believe there are millions and millions without healthcare, just not so. ITS CALLED THE ER, and every tom, wilbur, and harry including illegals are showing up at the door demanding and receiving treatment.

I don’t seperate the issues. I don’t compromise on them to get something. I don’t believe in abortion, stem cell, open borders, crazy gun control, raising taxes, soft on terror, govt handouts, and big programs to solve all our problems. The less govt the better. I feel best when Congress is out on recess, cos then I know they’re not up there messing stuff up.

I believe in helping my neighbor, all I ask is let me decide who I feel needs my help. You have to work *really * hard in this country to be poor. That can’t give away 10 dollar a hour jobs around here. Working poor? The dems call that a guy that only has ONE car, no internet, no cable tv, living in a house 1500 sq ft. Someone needs to take these people show them some REALLY poor folks.

Look I’m just a retired firefighter living on a pension (a good one) my wife is a sales clerk, together we make a little more then 100k a year, and the dems call me rich??!! LOL and want even more of my money to buy votes!! Frankly I’m tired of it.

In other words, you buy the Republicanist ideology, hook, line and sinker. By the way, 1000 a month is NOTHING compared to the cost of living. Try doing what you say and going to school at the same time. Can you say major health problems real fast? And since you want to keep everything to your own self, a person who works themself into a heart attack or stroke can’t get health care because you, and people like you, want to keep their money to themselves and to heck with everyone else…cause you got yours.

By the way, the ER is NOT intended for primary medical care.

 

[ribozyme]

The dems will have you believe there are millions and millions without healthcare, just not so. ITS CALLED THE ER, and every tom, wilbur, and harry including illegals are showing up at the door demanding and receiving treatment.

I think a health economist will respond that the ER shifts the burden to the taxpayer and it would be cheaper in the long run when people have access to primary care that can prevent some illnesses.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Don’t read a whole lot into Iowa or NH. The real poliitcal power in this country lies in the South and Flyover country.

The dems continue to lose the White House despite the fact they carry California, NY, Pa, Illinois, all big ticket states, but they can’t overcome the South.

I don’t know about 08, keeping Florida in the fold gets harder every election. Why the dems are for open borders, and buying votes with my tax dollars, to sway the demogrpahics in the battleground states.

The South dictates who runs the White House. Do you think a SINGLE red state, that voted for Bush in 04 is gonna vote for HILLARY?? I don’t see it, but heck what do I know, only lived here for 50 years.

The south votes in a block with 33% of the country’s population,(and growing) and most of the industry. The only time in recent history the south did not vote as a block and determine the election were Carter in 76 and Clinton in 92. Notice those 2 presidents were southern, and they managed to break off a few southern states for the dems.

The Northeast and California now facing the prospect of losing seats in the house. States such as NJ, NY will probably give up seats while states such as Texas (projected to pick up 4, Florida 3, Georgia 1 possibly 2) Even California is expected to lose a couple. Chased off by crazy high taxes, and nasty weather (brrrrrrrr) many have voted with their feet and left.

Many of the dems that went into congress in 06 were southern, they ran on a conservative agenda, why Pelosi can’t get anything done, not on the same page with many in her OWN party.

But hope springs eternal, I guess a few genuinely believe Hillary is gonna pick up a few southern states and tilt the election; yeah about the time cows fly.

Seeing that you believe all that, would you be interested in a little land deal I can hook you up with in Florida? It’s a tad wet, which isn’t too noticeable on a flyover.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

I think a health economist will respond that the ER shifts the burden to the taxpayer and it would be cheaper in the long run when people have access to primary care that can prevent some illnesses.

EXACTLY! Primary care is MUCH cheaper than emergency care.

 

[fix]

Absolutely correct.

Despite those who would pretend the Fallacy of Limited Alternatives (“if you reject A, you **must **accept B”) is a valid process, we are quite capable of examining and analyzing many alternatives.

If there are candiates who meet the test of Pope Benedict’s non-negotiables, we examine them to determine the one who best satisfies the many other criteria we can legitimately apply.

If no candidates meet the test, then we examine them to determine who would do the least damage.

Yes, so when we read that posters say abortion is not superior to other intrinsically evil actions regarding life issues that needs to be understood in the Church’s moral theology tradition.

In each election cycle the issues change. None of the life issues in the election is proportionate to the abortion issue currently. Is there a candidate supporting euthansia to the same degree abortion is supported and practiced today as one example?

What about embryonic stem cell destruction, torture, same sex marriage? To claim all have equal weight in each election would mean the candidate who supports unfettered abortion is equal in gravity to one who only supports abortion for rape and incest.

Both are wrong, but not both proportionate. As another poster said if they were the same then the Nazi holocaust would be equal to a killing in a bank robbery.

 

[mary_bobo]

In other words, you buy the Republicanist ideology, hook, line and sinker. By the way, 1000 a month is NOTHING compared to the cost of living. Try doing what you say and going to school at the same time. Can you say major health problems real fast? And since you want to keep everything to your own self, a person who works themself into a heart attack or stroke can’t get health care because you, and people like you, want to keep their money to themselves and to heck with everyone else…cause you got yours.

By the way, the ER is NOT intended for primary medical care.

Indeed the ER is not intended for primary medical care, but millions throughout our country go there for primary care and then don’t pay. Hospitals are closing because they cannot bear the burden. I think there should be a way to help those in real need without taking more and more money from the earners.

 

[mary_bobo]

There’s a third way of looking at it. People who claim to adhere to the non-negotiables only pay lip service to them in order to buy our votes. I cannot vote for such people.

That is not entirely true this time around. Check voting records.

 

[mary_bobo]

Seeing that you believe all that, would you be interested in a little land deal I can hook you up with in Florida? It’s a tad wet, which isn’t too noticeable on a flyover.

Interesting post to which you responded. Which of those suppositions do you think is not true?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Indeed the ER is not intended for primary medical care, but millions throughout our country go there for primary care and then don’t pay. Hospitals are closing because they cannot bear the burden. I think there should be a way to help those in real need without taking more and more money from the earners.

Could it be…perhaps…maybe because insurance costs so much that people cannot afford it? And what insurance they CAN afford doesn’t cover anything that people actually need?

Is that possible?

 

[SpiritMeadow]

Becuase the Church stated very clearly that the opinions of church officals were not bindng on Catholics.\

Once more All from the USCCB site:

While we have warned of the potential moral dangers of embarking on this war, we have also been clear that there are no easy answers. War has serious consequences, so could the failure to act. People of good will may and do disagree on how to interpret just war teaching and how to apply just war norms to the controverted facts of this case. We understand and respect the difficult moral choices that must be made by our President and others who bear the responsibility of making these grave decisions involving our nation’s and the world’s security (Catechism #2309).

usccb.org/sdwp/peace/stm31903.shtml

**By its military intervention in Iraq, the U.S. government has taken on a moral obligation to engage in a difficult, long-term process of nation building. **In resolving to restore sovereignty to the Iraqi people, it has embarked on an extraordinary effort at rebuilding a country after decades of a corrupt and brutal dictatorship and years of devastating sanctions. This effort will have to continue and be strengthened so that, in concert with the international community, our country can help empower the Iraqi people to create a society of peace and justice. In renewing our moral concerns and calling for our nation to recognize both its limitations and responsibilities, we also renew our call for prayer for those who serve our nation and their families, for the people of Iraq, and for a region and world broken by violence and longing for peace.

As pastors and teachers, we understand that there are no easy answers. **People of good will may differ on how traditional norms apply in this situation. **The gravity of the threat and whether force would be preemptive are matters of debate, as are the potential consequences of using or failing to use military force.

usccb.org/sdwp/international/iraqstatement0203.shtml

There are no easy answers. Ultimately, our elected leaders are responsible for decisions about national security, but we hope that our moral concerns and questions will be considered seriously by our leaders and all citizens. We invite others, particularly Catholic lay people – who have the principal responsibility to transform the social order in light of the Gospel – to continue to discern how best to live out their vocation to be “witnesses and agents of peace and justice” (Catechism, #2442). As Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers” (Mt. 5).

usccb.org/bishops/iraq.shtml

. Hence, the Magisterium (teaching authority) of the Church has the right and even duty in cases in which an unjust war is proposed or entered into to speak on the matter and if necessary, to oblige Catholics in conscience to object and refuse to participate. As to the present crisis, many Catholic leaders have spoken against a War on Iraq, yet they have stopped short of insisting upon a course of action for Catholics in the military

usccb.org/sdwp/peace/military2.shtml

While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.

priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm

Your quote from me is regarding the Death penalty, not war. The Popes have both spoken on the war, see my blog of January 6 for quotes and citations. You appear to be rather unaware of what is occuring in the area of the death penalty. I suggest you visit my blog for today and follow the links to various documents of both the VAtican and the USCCB.

 

[BamaRider]

And how does one make 1000 bucks delivering pizza when they have no car or are disabled and unable to work. There is limited thinking and some people just take pride in what they have and nobody else should have it unless they have been blessed as well.

And how many people crying out for “free” healthcare fit this description?

 

[estesbob]

Your quote from me is regarding the Death penalty, not war. The Popes have both spoken on the war, see my blog of January 6 for quotes and citations. You appear to be rather unaware of what is occuring in the area of the death penalty. I suggest you visit my blog for today and follow the links to various documents of both the VAtican and the USCCB.

Has the catechism been changed? If the church changes their teachings on the death penalty doesn’t that mean all their teachings of the last 2000 years are suspect? How can something be totally acceptable even in the Vatican in 1960 but morally wrong in 2008?