Politics from the Pulpit

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Ran across these two interesting items:
NASHVILLE — On Sunday, a group of 100 preachers nationwide will step into the pulpit and say the only words they’re forbidden by law from speaking in a church.
They plan to use the pulpit as a platform for political endorsements, flouting a federal law that threatens churches with the loss of their nonprofit status if they stray too far into partisan politics.
While other church and nonprofit leaders cringe at the deliberate mix of the secular and the religious, participants in the annual Pulpit Freedom Sunday protest hope this act of deliberate lawbreaking will lead to a change in the law.
POLITICO listened in to an Oval Office conference call Tuesday, where Obama and top administration officials, beseeched thousands of faith-based and community organizations to preach the gospel on new insurance reforms, chiefly the Patients’ Bill of Rights.
“Get out there and spread the word,” Obama told leaders from across the religious spectrum on the conference call, organized by the Health and Human Services Center for Faith-Based and Community Partnerships.
“This is something that we’ll be able to look back on, just like we do on Medicare and Social Security, as a cornerstone that improves the security of millions of Americans, at the same time lowers costs and gets control of costs, both at the government level, but also for families and businesses," he added.
Let’s just imagine the howls if W had tried to mobilise faith-based groups to support his war in Iraq.
 
I am all for losing the tax deductions and teaching the truth of the gospel without pulling punches. Abortion would never have stood a chance, “if” the truth of murder by the mother and doctor and nurses as well as being an acompolis to murder after the fact by those advocating and supporting abortion would have been preached from all the pulpits in America.
By holding on so dearly to those tax benefits, how many children have died for not speaking the absolute brutal truth from the pulpit directly to the congregation so they knew and were motivated NOT to become part of the American holocaust?
 
Ran across these two interesting items:

Let’s just imagine the howls if W had tried to mobilise faith-based groups to support his war in Iraq.
There is just one minor problem with what you have posted… The first link guides you to a link that is actually a discussion about whether or not Pastors should endorse political candidates from the pulpit. There was no mention of Obama’s healthcare plan.

The second link directs you to a site where the discussion has much to do with Obama and members of his Cabinet asking faith based and social organizations to spread the word by website, door hangers, etc. I saw nothing about him or anyone asking Pastors to preach from the pulpit…in flagrant violation of the IRS Code.

I risk censure for saying asking this, but did you post this to try and cast aspersions?

The two issues are as different as apples and bananas.
 
I am all for losing the tax deductions and teaching the truth of the gospel without pulling punches. Abortion would never have stood a chance, “if” the truth of murder by the mother and doctor and nurses as well as being an acompolis to murder after the fact by those advocating and supporting abortion would have been preached from all the pulpits in America.
Be careful for what you wish for… You may get it. Should the churches lose their exemptions…I hate to think of how many would end up being sold for delinquent taxes.
By holding on so dearly to those tax benefits, how many children have died for not speaking the absolute brutal truth from the pulpit directly to the congregation so they knew and were motivated NOT to become part of the American holocaust?
I can’t speak for your home, but in all of the Masses I have attended in the few different Churches where I have lived…I have NEVER seen any reticence by a Priest to make the Catholic Church’s position on abortion clear!! The ONLY thing that I have not seen is outright “preaching” as to who one should or not vote for by name. There have been a few veiled or vouchsafed hints…which didn’t hide much…but the points were rather clear.

Abortion is evil, but the simple fact that most people seem to miss the point that the decision was not in actuality based on “abortion” but instead was based on:
The Court in Roe chose, however, to base its decision on the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and the so-called “right of privacy” protected in earlier decisions such as Griswold v Connecticut (striking down a ban on the use, sale, and distribution of contraceptives).
law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/abortion.htm

I am not a Doctor of Law, or a Judge, but having spent some time studying law and reading a lot of information, I have come to a conclusion… Constantly having politicians promise to do this or that in campaign promises will never accomplish eliminating abortion in this country… simply because of the way that the Supreme Court framed the decision. If it is going to stopped…it has to be done another way, simply because if you are going to attack the 14th Amendment:

**Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. **

…you will be attacking the core of the Constitution, and seeking to render it asunder. Politicians have made many promises regarding this issue, and precious little has been accomplished… Simply put…another way has to be found.
 
Be careful for what you wish for… You may get it. Should the churches lose their exemptions…I hate to think of how many would end up being sold for delinquent taxes.

The “Church” is not the brick and mortar and will survive as JESUS promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I can’t speak for your home, but in all of the Masses I have attended in the few different Churches where I have lived…I have NEVER seen any reticence by a Priest to make the Catholic Church’s position on abortion clear!! The ONLY thing that I have not seen is outright “preaching” as to who one should or not vote for by name. There have been a few veiled or vouchsafed hints…which didn’t hide much…but the points were rather clear.
Yes today some Bishops have allowed this discussion in the homolies from the pulpit, but 20 years ago, not so much for fear of the tax issue. 20 years is a long time for a holocaust to continue.

Abortion is evil, but the simple fact that most people seem to miss the point that the decision was not in actuality based on “abortion” but instead was based on:

law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/abortion.htm

I am not a Doctor of Law, or a Judge, but having spent some time studying law and reading a lot of information, I have come to a conclusion… Constantly having politicians promise to do this or that in campaign promises will never accomplish eliminating abortion in this country… simply because of the way that the Supreme Court framed the decision. If it is going to stopped…it has to be done another way, simply because if you are going to attack the 14th Amendment:

**Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. **

…you will be attacking the core of the Constitution, and seeking to render it asunder. Politicians have made many promises regarding this issue, and precious little has been accomplished… Simply put…another way has to be found.
And you believe somehow that "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…: is over ruled by the 14th “amendment”, and/or that abortion was not the true reason for Roe vs Wade.
 
And you believe somehow that "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…: is over ruled by the 14th “amendment”, and/or that abortion was not the true reason for Roe vs Wade.
No, that is not what I said. The 14th Amendment “guarantees” it. My point was that the Justices based their decision on the 14th Amendment and its provisions with regard to a persons right to privacy. And I am not saying that their decision was right. One can only read court documents and treatises on those decisions, and whether or not there was “subterfuge” in the decision is of indpendent decision. Sadly, legal technicalities are not necessarily reality…except to the few, but since our system of government is structured as it is…it happens as it does.
 
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