Poll: California Catholics strongly support homosexual unions

[Rich_Olszewski]

This proud papa’s oldest child will start her first day of kindergarten next week. At a private, Catholic school.

My wife taught at public schools and private ones for her entire teaching career, both in the U.S. and abroad. My children were home-schooled, public-schooled, and Catholic-schooled. She always tried to provide some moral training to her public school students.

The fact is that Catholic schools differ little from public schools in what is taught, except for religious instruction. They use the same textbooks and follow the same lesson plans.

 

[larkin31]

I understand your point, but disagree. The “no cutting in line” rule is more about structure and order, not moral teaching.

It is about courtesy, respect, and rightful place (not appropriating that which one neither deserves nor has earned). And a bit of the Golden Rule thrown in.

We can focus on how I teach not to lie (a commandment) every day, if that would be more germane…

 

[larkin31]

My wife taught at public schools and private ones for her entire teaching career, both in the U.S. and abroad. My children were home-schooled, public-schooled, and Catholic-schooled. She always tried to provide some moral training to her public school students.

The fact is that Catholic schools differ little from public schools in what is taught, except for religious instruction. They use the same textbooks and follow the same lesson plans.

Indeed. And throw in a dash of dress code and we-will-kick-kids-out…

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Indeed. And throw in a dash of dress code and we-will-kick-kids-out…

Yes, the Catholic schools can cherry-pick and dump troublesome kids, whom the public schools must deal with. A dress code is okay.

 

[StAnastasia]

That is part of learning, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Precisely. It’s part of learning for children to discover that they live in a diverse and pluralistic culture, and that teh need not bully other children whose families are different than theirs. We have lesbian couples with kids in my childrens’ Catholic school. I haven’t heard of anyone reading the book under discussion, Heather has two mommies, but the students certainly understand that families don’t all come from the same heterosexual cookie cutter.

StAnastasia

 

[edwest2]

It certainly is for my LGBT friends.

sfbaytimes.com/?sec=article&article_id=12499

It appears that commitment is partial.

God bless,
Ed

 

[StAnastasia]

Yes, the gay lifestyle is already being promoted and propagandized to grade school children. The goal is to convince children at an early age that homosexuality is perfectly normal. And gosh, since kids that age prefer same sex playmates anyway, maybe they’ll just be convinced that they’re gay.

You have no experience of people different than yourself, do you? Must be a very narrow world.

 

[edwest2]

:ehh:

Uh… seriously Jim, this is a rather outlandish claim to make. Is there any reason to for anyone to believe that children will think themselves gay simply because they don’t have any sexual desires? And once they develop sexual desires, do you really think they would still consider themselves gay?

Seriously, certain groups are trying to convince heteros that gender is not fixed.

culturecampaign.blogspot.com/2009/10/gender-not-biologically-fixed-says-un.html

The campaign is built around the worship of Change.

God bless,
Ed

 

[JimG]

My wife taught at public schools and private ones for her entire teaching career, both in the U.S. and abroad. My children were home-schooled, public-schooled, and Catholic-schooled. She always tried to provide some moral training to her public school students.

The fact is that Catholic schools differ little from public schools in what is taught, except for religious instruction. They use the same textbooks and follow the same lesson plans.

Are Catholic schools also using “Heather Has Two Mommies” and “King and King” as texts for elementary school children? And if so, do parents get any say in the matter?

It has been mentioned by several posters that public school teachers do and must teach morals. If that is the case, and since they already teach the acceptability of homosexual lifestyles, then they constitute and establishment of religion, and are unconstitutional under the First Amendment. If parents do not wish their children to be indoctrinated into the state religion, they are forced to pay for private schools.

 

[larkin31]

Are Catholic schools also using “Heather Has Two Mommies” and “King and King” as texts for elementary school children? And if so, do parents get any say in the matter?

It has been mentioned by several posters that public school teachers do and must teach morals. If that is the case, and since they already teach the acceptability of homosexual lifestyles, then they constitute and establishment of religion, and are unconstitutional under the First Amendment.

Jim, teaching a child not to lie is not the same as teaching a child to believe in Jesus or the Buddha.

If parents do not wish their children to be indoctrinated into the state religion, they are forced to pay for private schools.

Yep. And there are plenty to choose from, or you can even teach your kids at home, or join a home-school co-operative, or start your own school with your own religion. You have choices.

 

[JimG]

In Lexington, Massachusetts, it seems, parents have no say whatever in such matters, and do not even have the chance to be notified of the texts the schools are using, or to opt out.

To quote a school administrator, ''Lexington is committed to teaching children about the world they live in, and in Massachusetts same-sex marriage is legal."

boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/04/20/parents_rip_school_over_gay_storybook/

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

They must’ve polled only the Bay Area and L.A. because this entire area, the Central Valley of California is STAUNCHLY against gay marriage! Trust me! Catholics around here are adamantly opposed, as they should be. For that matter, everyone here is opposed to it regardless of denom!

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7008

How sad. This is a travesty! It would seem that the majority of California’s Catholics are not Catholic at all but are Catholic in name only! A bunch of cafeteria “Catholics” is what we have here!

 

[JimG]

Jim, teaching a child not to lie is not the same as teaching a child to believe in Jesus or the Buddha.

Yep. And there are plenty to choose from, or you can even teach your kids at home, or join a home-school co-operative, or start your own school with your own religion. You have choices.

Yes, there are choices. Send the kids to the state supported school which teaches the state supported religion, or pay for my own schools while still paying to support the state religion.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

But there’s a ceveat to that. I happen to know a woman who had all her boys at the local Catholic school. There was a kid bullying her son DAILY on the playground. He was cussing the kid out, threatening him, and physically punching and knock-down drag-out kicking the kid’s butt. The mom went to the principal over it. Because the bully kid’s parents are millionaires who donate HUGE $$$ to the church and school and have power, the bully cannot be touched. He stayed. Guess what? They advised the mom of the victim to take HER son out and put him in public!

She did just that and she hasn’t had one kid harrass her son in public. So the idea that they’ll deal with bad kids on the spot and bring justice where the public turns the other cheek isn’t necessarily true. It all depends on the school, principal, and kids.

Yes, the Catholic schools can cherry-pick and dump troublesome kids, whom the public schools must deal with. A dress code is okay.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I happen to work in public schools. I’ve been teaching 13 years, the last seven of those years at sixth grade. As per California standards we teach Judaism and Ancient Israel as a unit, we teach Christianity as a unit in Ancient Rome, and we also teach Early Man which deals with the theories of evolution.

I have never personally seen this “state religion” you speak of. I don’t influence my kids to believe anything. I teach them all sides and let them choose and that is our district and school policy as well.

I haven’t seen any sort of secular brain-washing that I frequently hear people scared about in here, I have to tell you.

Yes, there are choices. Send the kids to the state supported school which teaches the state supported religion, or pay for my own schools while still paying to support the state religion.

 

[sedonaman]

… the students certainly understand that families don’t all come from the same heterosexual cookie cutter.

StAnastasia

Yes they do. Real families, anyway. Look. The Golden Rule doesn’t mean we have to tolerate any and all behavior, otherwise, why do we have the Ten Commandments or civil laws?

If you support what is now described in euphemistic terms as “the blessing of same-sex unions,” in practice you are supporting the abolition of the entire Christian sexual ethic, and its substitution with an unrestricted, laissez faire, free sexual market. The reason that the homosexual rights movement has managed to pick up such a large contingent of heterosexual fellow-travelers is simple: Because once that taboo is abrogated, no taboos are left.

There was a lesbian couple who attended my parish, and they wanted to become extraordinary ministers of the Eucharistic and were turned down. Can you figure out why?

 

[larkin31]

Yes they do. Real families, anyway. Look. The Golden Rule doesn’t mean we have to tolerate any and all behavior, otherwise, why do we have the Ten Commandments or civil laws?

If you support what is now described in euphemistic terms as “the blessing of same-sex unions,” in practice you are supporting the abolition of the entire Christian sexual ethic, and its substitution with an unrestricted, laissez faire, free sexual market.

This is not a logical claim.

The reason that the homosexual rights movement has managed to pick up such a large contingent of heterosexual fellow-travelers is simple: Because once that taboo is abrogated, no taboos are left.

This is the same logical fallacy, repeated.

 

[edwest2]

I happen to work in public schools. I’ve been teaching 13 years, the last seven of those years at sixth grade. As per California standards we teach Judaism and Ancient Israel as a unit, we teach Christianity as a unit in Ancient Rome, and we also teach Early Man which deals with the theories of evolution.

I have never personally seen this “state religion” you speak of. I don’t influence my kids to believe anything. I teach them all sides and let them choose and that is our district and school policy as well.

I haven’t seen any sort of secular brain-washing that I frequently hear people scared about in here, I have to tell you.

Here’s an example:

massresistance.org/docs/parker/

The State has decided, in cooperation with gay activists, that gay marriage is not a private matter. It’s not: your neighbors are a married gay couple who go to work, come home and maybe have a barbeque. It’s get it in the schools because “gay marriage” is legal.

God bless,
Ed

 

[sedonaman]

This is not a logical claim.

This is the same logical fallacy, repeated.

Well, here they are fallacyfiles.org . Which one is it?

 

[larkin31]

Well, here they are fallacyfiles.org . Which one is it?

the fallacy known by all these names:

black-white
either-or
horns of the dilemma