Poll: California Catholics strongly support homosexual unions

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larkin31 said:
I don’t remember seeing it! It looks very modern (I just looked it up). Did I walk right past it or something??
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It took me a while to come to like it. It’s called the “Great Maytag Washer in the Sky” because it looks like a washing machine agitator. Inside it is more impressive; I prefer Gothic myself, and when we lived in San Francisco we were parishioners at the gorgeous St. Dominic Parish

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JimG said:
I think it’s rather outlandish, since they don’t have any sexual desires, to be reading from gay-oriented schoolbooks and storybooks in the grade school years. It serves only as propaganda for the gay agenda. What’s a kid supposed to think about a story where the king looks for a bride but ends up marrying another king instead?
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Are books lke “King and King” prescribed texts for grade scholl texts in the US? If so, I am horrified. While I am not against civil unions giving gays property rights etc, I certainly think it terrible to indoctrinate children into thinking gay relationships are normal and not exceptions.
 
severus68 said:
Are books lke “King and King” prescribed texts for grade scholl texts in the US? If so, I am horrified. While I am not against civil unions giving gays property rights etc, I certainly think it terrible to indoctrinate children into thinking gay relationships are normal and not exceptions.
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Everyone knows that they are exceptions, not the norm. And yes, some schools have used the book.
 
severus68 said:
Are books lke “King and King” prescribed texts for grade scholl texts in the US? If so, I am horrified. While I am not against civil unions giving gays property rights etc, I certainly think it terrible to indoctrinate children into thinking gay relationships are normal and not exceptions.
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They are prescribed and mandated at some schools. Parents are not likely to know whether they are or not.
 
Why do some Catholics strongly support homosexual unions?

Simple…

**“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
  • Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda**
 
StAnastasia said:
The Central Valley might as well be Kansas – they reject evolution, global warming, and other aspects of modern science.
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OH my, that does sound like someone is being very judgmental here… I see that you have your own “dogmas and doctrines” that you will defend very stridently. and btw what is wrong with Kansas? Is it because they see things differently than you? Stop being such a hater…
 
Aquinas62 said:
Two schools too many…
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There are more important wrongs being done to children than freaking out over TWO schools using a book that actually (hand-over-mouth) has a gay couple in it swimming against the river of books that have a man choose a woman and a woman choose a man. :rolleyes:
 
StAnastasia said:
The Central Valley might as well be Kansas – they reject evolution, global warming, and other aspects of modern science.
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erm… may I ask what you are basing that claim on?
StAnastasia said:
It might as well be Dover. Have you been to Fresno or Bakersfield?
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I used to live 50 miles south of Fresno, and yes, I have been to both cities.

As Gurneyhalleck1, mentioned the Central Valley (or certainly the southern half, aka the San Joaquin Valley) is very conservative. The Episcopal diocese in Fresno was the first diocese to secede from The Episcopal Church, over its liberalizing tendencies.

However, Fresno is also where Father Geoff Farrow, at the end of Mass two years ago, read a statement to his parishioners that he could not comply with a directive from his bishop to direct parishioners to vote “yes” on Proposition 8. His bishop removed him as pastor, and then suspended him as priest. Of course, most Catholics in the diocese backed the bishop, but Fr. Farrow received a lot of support too. As I recall, he even told supporters to back down from confrontation with the bishop, which many were willing to organize.

So, yes, the the Central Valley, on the whole, is very conservative. But its good not to over-generalize.
 
StAnastasia said:
It took me a while to come to like it. It’s called the “Great Maytag Washer in the Sky” because it looks like a washing machine agitator. Inside it is more impressive; I prefer Gothic myself, and when we lived in San Francisco we were parishioners at the gorgeous St. Dominic Parish

stdominics.org/

stdominics.org/parish/photos

StAnastasia
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A slight digression. As an individual that grew up in the SF Bay Area, one thing that has always impressed me was the fact many of the parishes in the Archdiocese of San Francisco did receive any extensive renovations following Vatican II. Unlike other Dioceses throughout the United States.
 
Dale_M said:
However, Fresno is also where Father Geoff Farrow, at the end of Mass two years ago, read a statement to his parishioners that he could not comply with a directive from his bishop to direct parishioners to vote “yes” on Proposition 8. His bishop removed him as pastor, and then suspended him as priest. Of course, most Catholics in the diocese backed the bishop, but Fr. Farrow received a lot of support too. As I recall, he even told supporters to back down from confrontation with the bishop, which many were willing to organize. So, yes, the the Central Valley, on the whole, is very conservative. But its good not to over-generalize.
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Quite true.
 
StAnastasia said:
Personal experience.
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Fair enough, I am sorry to put you on the spot. Certainly Bakersfield is sometimes described as a patch of Oklahoma in the middle of California. So Kansas may be a milder description of the whole Central Valley. :o

When conservative Republican state legislator, Roy Ashburn of Bakersfield, earlier this year was revealed to be secretly gay it cost him his seat. Even those who had been staunch supporters said that they couldn’t support him now that the news was out. And this despite an unblemished record of voting against gay-friendly legislation.
 
Dale_M said:
Fair enough, I am sorry to put you on the spot. Certainly Bakersfield is sometimes described as a patch of Oklahoma in the middle of California. So Kansas may be a milder description of the whole Central Valley.
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No problemo. I am frequently called upon to counsel teachers who are confronted with creationism among students and parents. Occasionally I have to counsel a parent who student has a creationist teacher. Central California has its share of such issues.
 
Dale_M said:
When conservative Republican state legislator, Roy Ashburn of Bakersfield, earlier this year was revealed to be secretly gay it cost him his seat. Even those who had been staunch supporters said that they couldn’t support him now that the news was out. And this despite an unblemished record of voting against gay-friendly legislation.
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The loudest voices in opposition to homosexuality often turn out to be people who are anxious and uncertain about their own sexual orientation. I’ve seen it time and time again: gay bashers are "outed’. Those of us who are secure in our own heterosexuality have no need to fear LGBT people, and thus not need to engage in gay bashing…
 
sedonaman said:
You’ve convinced me that no one knows what causes homosexuality, but some of their rhetoric doesn’t make sense. For example, it’s been called a “preference”. Well, a preference is a choice, so why not choose to be heterosexual? They claim their rights are being denied, but that sword cuts both ways: what right do they have to demand my very conscience?
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My goodness, Sedona, you sound as if you’re going to be the one marrying them! Re reassured, you won’t have to.

When the Supreme Court struck down state laws against interracial marriage, they affirmed that marriage between consenting adults is a civil right. That is settled law.
 
StAnastasia said:
The loudest voices in opposition to homosexuality often turn out to be people who are anxious and uncertain about their own sexual orientation. I’ve seen it time and time again: gay bashers are "outed’. Those of us who are secure in our own heterosexuality have no need to fear LGBT people, and thus not need to engage in gay bashing…
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Ah, the old homophobia claim. Of course, those with the loudest voices in opposition to racism are racists. Those whose voices are loudest in opposition to war are warmongers. Etcetera.

I assure you I am secure in my heterosexuality and have no fear of the BLT people. Then again, I don’t “gay bash” either. Rather, I just state Church teaching and discuss the value of a homosexual relationship to society (zero). I suppose those with weak arguments would refer to that as homophobic gay bashing. It’s easier to do that then to counter the Truth.
 
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