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strngrnrth
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Where do you stand? This poll is for everyone, but please explain your answers especially if you voted “acceptable” on any of the items.
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Shredderbeam
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Contraception: Fine. Self-ownership principle.
Abortion: Fine. Self-ownership principle.
Infanticide: Not fine. Murder of a separate being, etc.
Abortion: Fine. Self-ownership principle.
Infanticide: Not fine. Murder of a separate being, etc.
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strngrnrth
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At what point does abortion become infanticide? Viability? Labor? Crowning? Head delivery? Full delivery? Breathing? Cord cutting? Placenta delivery?
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Shredderbeam
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I’m going to say the point at which the child is physically separated from the mother, which would be when the cord is cut.
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Shredderbeam
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If this thread is going to include euthanasia, as is mentioned in the polls, then I would be a full supporter of that. If the candidate is a rational being who wishes to end their life, I do not see how it is my business to prevent them.
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Michael_Neal
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it is absurd that you would state that infanticide is murder of a separate being but not abortion
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SwizzleStick
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Exactly, which is why I also chose “Other - Please Explain” along with my other answers that reflect my views that contraception and killing of anyone is not acceptable.
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FightingFat
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I think contraception is a moral choice. If you want people not to use it, you have to have a darn good argument why not. We do have that in the Catholic Church, what we need to do is get the message out there better.
The same is true of the other two options. People shouldn’t choose either of them because they should see that they are wrong and that they lead to pain and suffering. They don’t see that and so how are you going to foister your moralism on someone else who refuses it?
That said, I voted that abortion and infanticide/ euthanasia should be illegal for the same reason as murder is illegal.
The same is true of the other two options. People shouldn’t choose either of them because they should see that they are wrong and that they lead to pain and suffering. They don’t see that and so how are you going to foister your moralism on someone else who refuses it?
That said, I voted that abortion and infanticide/ euthanasia should be illegal for the same reason as murder is illegal.
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Verisimilitude
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I voted the second and last choices on the poll. Individulas should have the right to self determination and to make mistakes. Abortion and infantcide are not mistakes.
If a contraceptive proves to be an abortificant, would you support its ban?
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Verisimilitude
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I do not support the banning of any drug, but I do support restricting its avalability for specific purposes and/or those deemed responsible. A woman could buy rat posion for rats or to kill her husband; I must trust her intention to use it properly without requireing an affidavit. When her husband ends up dead and it is found she killed him with the rat posion then the laws on the books are sufficient to adjudicate the crime. I think the same could be said regarding drugs for abortion- as long as the life of the husband is equal to that of the unborn- which I thinkit is.
Humans were given life and liberty without restriction from God so I do not think governments or other individuals have a greater authority to limit them any more than God has. Laws such as the 10 Commandments do not limit a persons individual liberty but describe a just foundation to keep us from anarchy.
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Shredderbeam
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Michael Neal:
A fetus is not a separate, rational life. Rationality is what morally grants rights.
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Verisimilitude
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How do you explain a unique human DNA from the mother and father and how much more rational is a 2 month old out of the womb compared to that of a 8 month old in the womb?
What kind of rights are you suggesting a rational being is granted?
Is a dog rational? PETA grants them rights.
Is a non-US citizen that broke civil laws rational? They certainly think they have the rights under the US Constitution though they are not subject to them?
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deanarrca
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Hi, I posted this on the Family Living board but it applies here too i think. The parents of this little guy were highly pressured to abort. They stood firm and said no.
He was born a Thanatophoric Dwarf. It is Also called Thanatophoric Dysplasia. It is a condition considered incompatible with life. Only 3 have ever been known to survive into early childhood. Well Samuel is going to make number 4. Samuel Turns 3 years old on Saturday and miracle of miracles he is breathing on his own off the vetillator for short periods of time. Another thing, according to doctors he was never suppose to be able to do. Check out his website where his mom keeps a journal. Feel Free to Sign his guest book and wish him a very happy 3rd Birthday. I know he and his family will appreciate it greatly and please keep them in your prayers.
Yeah to Samuel and his Family.
[Samuel’s Website](http://www.caringbridge.org/cb/(name removed by moderator)utSiteName.do?method=search&siteName=samuelmann)
He was born a Thanatophoric Dwarf. It is Also called Thanatophoric Dysplasia. It is a condition considered incompatible with life. Only 3 have ever been known to survive into early childhood. Well Samuel is going to make number 4. Samuel Turns 3 years old on Saturday and miracle of miracles he is breathing on his own off the vetillator for short periods of time. Another thing, according to doctors he was never suppose to be able to do. Check out his website where his mom keeps a journal. Feel Free to Sign his guest book and wish him a very happy 3rd Birthday. I know he and his family will appreciate it greatly and please keep them in your prayers.
Yeah to Samuel and his Family.
[Samuel’s Website](http://www.caringbridge.org/cb/(name removed by moderator)utSiteName.do?method=search&siteName=samuelmann)
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Shredderbeam
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Unique DNA does not a human life make. Say it were possible to splice two sets of DNA together to make a brand new third set. Would you consider that to be equal to a 20 year old man?
The 8 month old fetus is not a separate being. The two month old is.
Self-ownership rights.
PETA is not a government agency, but yes, dogs do have rights. However, the current standing laws of the land do not dictate morality.
Morally, they are entitled to the same rights as any other rational being.
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Verisimilitude
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Are you suggesting a 8 month old in the womb is not a human life? What is it then?
Sex is a much better way to create new life, and just because it might be possible to design human life in a lab doesn’t mean we should. If we did then yes, it would be equal.
That is just ignorant.
What about the individual in a coma, or an autistic adult that can’t communicate who have no concept of self?
Do you pray to government like I pray to God? How do you mean current law does not dictate morailty?
What are they? Does the 2nd Amendment apply to them? How about the right to protest our government? Do people have a right to a house, a job, food and shelter if they live in India or only in America?
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Contarini
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I voted “contraception is wrong but should be legal,” but I’d like to qualify “wrong.” I would prefer to say “morally questionable.” I am not convinced that contraception (preventing conception by means other than periodic abstinence) is always sinful, but I do think that it diminishes the marital act and should not simply be accepted as unproblematic.
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I understand…poor choice of wording on my part.
If a contraceptive proves to be an abortificant, would you support its removal as an option for contraceptive purposes?
I submit that this reasoning is too vague to be useful for anything.
Prove that someone is not rational…and not simply unable to communicate.
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