Poll: do you believe life begins at conception?

[distracted]

This may seem like an odd question but i have heard many people lately claim that life begins… uh… they don’t say, but they insist it does not begin at conception.

True, most of these ppl are Atheists… but some are Christians…

just wondering

 

[vera_dicere]

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology would know life begins at conception, “beleif” has nothign to do with it.

You can only be one of two things, alive or dead. Dead things don’t grow… The zygote grows. To say life doesn’t begin at conception is to say the zygote is not alive, which is to say it is dead.

Basically, they’re saying we start life as some kind of zombie zygote, which of course is a level of stupidity on par with some kind of sea slug.

 

[Rascalking]

How in the world could anyone vote anything other than “yes”?

It’s pretty much accepted-even by pro-choicers-that it is some form of life!

 

[Joe_Kelley]

There was a story of a priest, a minister and a rabbi discussing this.

The priest, of course, maintained that life begins at conception.

The minister, of a liberal bent, claimed it begins at birth.

The rabbi said they were both wrong. “When the kids grow up and leave home and the dog dies, then life begins.”

 

[Anselm33]

This may seem like an odd question but i have heard many people lately claim that life begins… uh… they don’t say, but they insist it does not begin at conception.

True, most of these ppl are Atheists… but some are Christians…

just wondering

those who deny life begins at conception know nothing of biology or molecular biology, not to mention nothing of theology or philosophy. The potentiality for the human is at the moment when sperm unites with egg to form the zygote. There is no sharp break at time t’ when before t’ the embryo is non-human and afterwards human.
anselm

 

[colmcille1]

those who deny life begins at conception know nothing of biology or molecular biology, not to mention nothing of theology or philosophy. The potentiality for the human is at the moment when sperm unites with egg to form the zygote. There is no sharp break at time t’ when before t’ the embryo is non-human and afterwards human.
anselm

Well said, sir!

 

[Newbie2]

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology would know life begins at conception, “beleif” has nothign to do with it.

You can only be one of two things, alive or dead. Dead things don’t grow… The zygote grows. To say life doesn’t begin at conception is to say the zygote is not alive, which is to say it is dead.

Basically, they’re saying we start life as some kind of zombie zygote, which of course is a level of stupidity on par with some kind of sea slug.

The more important question, methinks, is does “human-ness” begin at conception. That is where the disagreement with Catholic theology lies.

 

[vz71]

Of course, once you nail the point that life begins at conception be prepared.

The next argument is that it is not human life ‘as we know it’ and really is only the potential for it.

 

[royal_archer]

I voted yes but here are some reasons I could have voted no.

Life begins prior to conception it is with conception that the unique new human is created. but this creation is the merger of three components which (at least two) were alive prior to conception (egg, sperm, soul). (worth a trinity analogy discussion)

Also the deffinition of conception is getting attacked. Some say that pregnancy does not begin untill the baby implants into the uterus. I have heard this implantation being used as the definition of conception. Several of these abortion pills are being marketed as contraceptives because they kill the baby prior to implantation in the uterus. So in a discussion with someone who believes that conception is something later than the merger of the egg and the sperm, I’d say live begins prior to conception.

Although the Rabbi had a good point with the kids moving out.

 

[vz71]

Also the deffinition of conception is getting attacked. Some say that pregnancy does not begin untill the baby implants into the uterus.

Noted.
In fact, I noticed the definition change shortly before ‘new’ contraceptive pills came out that supposedly were pro-life as they ‘prevented conception’ rather then killed an embryo.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

The more important question, methinks, is does “human-ness” begin at conception. That is where the disagreement with Catholic theology lies.

This isn’t the first instance of a class of persons being declared less than fully human to justify their maltreatment.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

This is a no brainer for me—YES!

 

[sdtouchton]

God is the Author of Life:
“It is I who bring both death and life.”
Deuteronomy 32:39

“Did not He who made me in the womb make him?
And did not one fashion us in the womb?”
Job 31:15

The Bible shows God is aware of life in the womb, even before conception!
You formed my inmost being;
You knit me in my mother’s womb.
I praise you, so wonderfully you made me;
Wonderful are your works!
My very self you knew;
My bones were not hidden from you,
When I was being made in secret,
Fashioned as in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes foresaw my actions;
In your book all are written down;
My days were shaped, before one came to be.
Psalms 139:13-16 [New American]
“Yahweh called me when I was in the womb,
before my birth he had pronounced my name.”
Isaiah 49:1

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.”
Jeremiah 1:5

"In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.
And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.”
Gospel of Luke 1:39-44

“But when he who had set me apart before I was born,
and had called me through his grace”
Paul to the Galatians 1:15

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and blameless before him.”
Paul to the Ephesians 1:3-4

God gave a warning to those who destroy life:
“Whosoever shall shed man’s blood, his own blood shall be shed,
For man was made in the image of God.”
Genesis 9:6

 

[Reuben_J]

Our soul is spirit and it has no beginning and no end. God is not governed by time and space so it is immaterial when he created us. Our physical body however is governed by time and space and therefore has a beginning and an end. That beginning is when the seed of the man is joined with the woman and they begin to form a new unit of life. This happens during the **fertilization **or conception. This is the physical aspect of life not the spiritual.

The timing of when this happens, though can be known through modern knowledge of human reproduction, it is nevertheless God who makes and decides that it should grow into life. Like Paul says in 1 Cor 3:6, he can plant the seed, Apollo waters it but it is God who makes the plant to grow. Similarly that could be the case in human life. And this is why we should not interfere with its growth or unavail it into the possibilty of fertilization when the seeds are released.

 

[Rv_Cain_Spencer]

This may seem like an odd question but i have heard many people lately claim that life begins… uh… they don’t say, but they insist it does not begin at conception.

True, most of these ppl are Atheists… but some are Christians…

just wondering

Are you asking just out of curiousity to see what others think, or are you looking for your own answers?

 

[distracted]

those who deny life begins at conception know nothing of biology or molecular biology, not to mention nothing of theology or philosophy. The potentiality for the human is at the moment when sperm unites with egg to form the zygote. There is no sharp break at time t’ when before t’ the embryo is non-human and afterwards human.
anselm

yes, it is all very logical… I mean its like saying LIfe begins @ the beginning…

But sadly, even i, when i was very young, didn’t think abortion was that big a deal… until… i saw aborted fetuses!!! It’s sad that we humans are so clueless without… the obvious facts, but that’s the way i was… I mean, i was never enthused about legalized abortion… but since i couldn’t SEE what the baby looked like, i didn’t think “much” was there… Weird, now that i think about it… (But that was back in my teens/20s… you know how teens are…

seriously… Once i saw those pictues, i was blown away. I cried & vowed that i would never have an abortion even if my life depended on it (a VERY rare situtation in this modern world, i might add)

The thought occurs to me that if we could SEE the unborn child growing all those 9 months, there wouldn’t be any legalized abortion… but since we’ve HAD legalized abortion all these years, even when ppl DO see the photos… there “hearts have become hardened” & they claim there is some siutation or other that justifies killing the child. … diabolical…

 

[distracted]

Of course, once you nail the point that life begins at conception be prepared.

The next argument is that it is not human life ‘as we know it’ and really is only the potential for it.

we were all there once…

it makes no sense that we would “attain” value as a person simply by growth & … “bigness”

the sperm by itself doesn’t grow… ditto the egg… But when they come to gether… it is human and alive & whether it is “life as we know it” or not, seems entirely irrelevent… but, as you say, not to some ppl…

ppl should be allowed to beleive what they want - until/unless their beleifs cost another person to lose something valuable… and what is more valuable than his life

 

[estesbob]

Noted.
In fact, I noticed the definition change shortly before ‘new’ contraceptive pills came out that supposedly were pro-life as they ‘prevented conception’ rather then killed an embryo.

In the mid 50s when the IUD was developed the pharmeseutical companies launched a huge marketing campaign claiming life did not begin until implantation(which the IUD prevents) They were largely sucessful-you will even see many claim this toady.

 

[distracted]

God is the Author of Life:
“It is I who bring both death and life.”
Deuteronomy 32:39

“Did not He who made me in the womb make him?
And did not one fashion us in the womb?”
Job 31:15

The Bible shows God is aware of life in the womb, even before conception!
You formed my inmost being;
You knit me in my mother’s womb.
I praise you, so wonderfully you made me;
Wonderful are your works!
…God gave a warning to those who destroy life:
“Whosoever shall shed man’s blood, his own blood shall be shed,
For man was made in the image of God.”
Genesis 9:6

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I love that passage in the Bible because it shows that God is in favor of our using capital punishment if that is necessary to protect innocent life. I’ve had ppl tell me that none of us is innocent, not evne an unborn child!!! Geeze… That argunenbt seems SO… uh… fill in the blanks… By that “logic” we should all be annhihilated cuz we’re not innocent… (?) ***

Anyway, what do you say to the person who says "That’s your religious belief. Don’t shove it off on me & force me to live by it??"

 

[distracted]

Are you asking just out of curiousity to see what others think, or are you looking for your own answers?

my own answers???

I already know perfectly well what i believe… no, KNOW about this topic. I know that life begins at conception & no man has a right to destroy human life which created in God’s image.

i belive in cap punishment because that is instituted to protect the law-abiding from murderers.

i wanted to see if ppl on these forums were radically different from others i have met elsewhere who argue that life begins… at some arbitrary point in existence… or whatever…