Poll: do you believe life begins at conception?

[Buntspecht]

The science proves the fertilized egg to be a human life.

However, the question remains whether a fertilized egg can be put on the same level as a newborn child.

As you might know, many fertilized eggs do not even implant. Even if a fertilized egg implants, it often gets lost within the first weeks of pregnancy. Many of these early miscarriages are not even recognized as such.

Apparently, miscarriages that occur in a later stage of pregnancy are more traumatic for the parents than miscarriages that occur in an early stage of the pregnancy. Also, miscarriages that occur before the 5th week of pregnancy almost never receive a proper burial.

Let’s also keep in mind that 99,9% of us would not even be able to distinguish a fertilized human egg from a fertilized dog’s egg, whereas everyone would be able to distinguish a newborn child from a newborn puppy.

Thus, it seems that the development of human beings is a gradual process along the pregnancy. Obviously, human life begins with fertilization, but it is far less intuitive to put a fertilized egg cell on the same level as a newborn child.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

 

[vz71]

With all due respect; No woman who becomes pregnant needs human science to know within herself and her physical time clock, that she has become a mother who has conceived with child. This is an inborn instinct not only amongst human females but amongst the animal world too.

Neither my wife or I had any idea she was pregnant until she was nearly 4 months along.

This ‘instinct’ that tells a woman she is pregnant is a myth.

 

[vz71]

Thus, it seems that the development of human beings is a gradual process along the pregnancy. Obviously, human life begins with fertilization, but it is far less intuitive to put a fertilized egg cell on the same level as a newborn child.

So for lack of recognizable traits we should deny the dignity that is being human?

 

[Buntspecht]

No woman who becomes pregnant needs human science to know within herself and her physical time clock, that she has become a mother who has conceived with child.

In general, the earliest symptom of pregnancy is a missed menstruation. All the other symptoms (nausea, sensitive breasts, etc.) come after that.

Even if we assume that some women can sense a pregnancy before missing a menstruation, they will not be able to recognize the fertilization of the egg.

This is an inborn instinct not only amongst human females but amongst the animal world too.

If this was true, there would not be such a huge market for pregnancy tests.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

 

[Buntspecht]

So for lack of recognizable traits we should deny the dignity that is being human?

If we put the fertilized egg on the same level as a newborn child, it also means that fertilized eggs that do not implant deserve a proper burial if possible.

Of course, we might come to the conclusion that a proper burial of fertilized eggs is simply not possible. However, I am not even aware of any attempts to do so.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

 

[vz71]

IOf course, we might come to the conclusion that a proper burial of fertilized eggs is simply not possible. However, I am not even aware of any attempts to do so.

Given the object you are talking about is too small to be seen with the naked eye, I would think not.

However, every life is precious no matter how its end is met.

 

[royal_archer]

But without science you would not even know what conception is.

Today’s concept of conception (unification of egg cell and sperm cell) is a result of scientific analysis.

The egg cell was discovered in 1792 by scientist Karl Ernst von Baer. Before that point of time, people thought that the male semen already contains a complete human seed, and the female body only acts as a kind of greenhouse.

So the concept of conception that today’s church refers to is actually a scientific concept.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

The mechanics of the biological process have been learned through science. However, that is an incomplete understanding with out what was revealed through the church.

 

[royal_archer]

A prisoner’s life ceases after execution.

At least their earthly physical life…

 

[vz71]

At least their earthly physical life…

True enough.
So what exactly is being asked then?
"does a prisoner’s life cease to be sacred after he is executed?? "

 

[royal_archer]

However, the question remains whether a fertilized egg can be put on the same level as a newborn child.

As you might know, many fertilized eggs do not even implant. Even if a fertilized egg implants, it often gets lost within the first weeks of pregnancy. Many of these early miscarriages are not even recognized as such.

Many babies die of SIDS in their early years but the frequency of the natural deaths would never be used as justification to murder.

As for parrents not being aware of the conception of their child, many fathers are unaware that they have children. Are all of those children also fair game for being murdered?

Apparently, miscarriages that occur in a later stage of pregnancy are more traumatic for the parents than miscarriages that occur in an early stage of the pregnancy. Also, miscarriages that occur before the 5th week of pregnancy almost never receive a proper burial.

Just like the loss of a spouse of many years is more tramatic than the loss of someone just met. It is this increased familiarity that leads to the increased trauma. But that doesn’t mean it is somehow less evil to kill a stanger than someone you know.

Let’s also keep in mind that 99,9% of us would not even be able to distinguish a fertilized human egg from a fertilized dog’s egg, whereas everyone would be able to distinguish a newborn child from a newborn puppy.

If cosmetic concerns were relevant, you could argue that a murder has less cumpability of murdering someone with physical deffects or mutations.

 

[royal_archer]

If we put the fertilized egg on the same level as a newborn child, it also means that fertilized eggs that do not implant deserve a proper burial if possible.

Of course, we might come to the conclusion that a proper burial of fertilized eggs is simply not possible. However, I am not even aware of any attempts to do so.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

A “ferilized egg” is not the way to describe a human being.

If a newly conceived human dies (can not be saved) then it deserves a proper burial.

 

[royal_archer]

True enough.
So what exactly is being asked then?
"does a prisoner’s life cease to be sacred after he is executed?? "

I assumed that what was meant was to question the recognition of the sacredness of life for those who have been condemned to death.

 

[vz71]

I assumed that what was meant was to question the recognition of the sacredness of life for those who have been condemned to death.

It would be an apples and oranges argument.
We know all life to be sacred.

However when there is no other means of protecting the public from a given individual, there may be no alternative.

I hardly would think that condition could ever apply to an unborn child.

 

[century153]

***does a prisoner’s life cease to be sacred after he is executed?? ***

Jesus Christ holds the keys to life and death. I don’t recall Him handing THOSE keys over to Peter or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Buntspecht]

Many babies die of SIDS in their early years but the frequency of the natural deaths would never be used as justification to murder.

The intended argument was not about the frequency of death, but rather about the fact that people feel less affected by a death that occurs immediately after conception.

Just like the loss of a spouse of many years is more tramatic than the loss of someone just met.

I am not even sure that this rule is valid in general.

It is this increased familiarity that leads to the increased trauma. But that doesn’t mean it is somehow less evil to kill a stanger than someone you know.

I believe that there are other aspects apart from the familiarity. For example, it seems far more likely that the unborn child suffers in a late miscarriage than in an early miscarriage.

If cosmetic concerns were relevant, you could argue that a murder has less cumpability of murdering someone with physical deffects or mutations.

The argument was not about physical defects, but rather about our ability to recognize something as a human being. In general, even severe physical defects do not prevent us from recognizing a human being.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

 

[century153]

For those discussing ways to reach pro-choice believers and women confronted with the fact that they must make a choice… I want to suggest you take a look at his website.

Also, one comment I would like to make. Maybe Pro-Choice can turn out to be a good thing – because there are some governments who force abortion – there is no choice. Who’s to say it couldn’t happen here. Leave the law on the books and fight it through the media.

Here’s the link and a quick quote from the home page…

vitaefoundation.org/
The Vitae Foundation gives voice to those who don’t have one, through the tools of today’s media. While expanding into a variety of web platforms, we have a rich history specializing in the production of televised media and purchasing airtime, in an effort to encourage a greater respect for human life, restore traditional values in our American culture, and reduce the number of abortions by using mass media education. Vitae is truly ‘bringing media to life’.

 

[avemaria2010]

yes i do

 

[royal_archer]

It would be an apples and oranges argument.
We know all life to be sacred.

However when there is no other means of protecting the public from a given individual, there may be no alternative.

I hardly would think that condition could ever apply to an unborn child.

Agreed.

This does not apply to children although the baby killers keep perpetuating the myth that many abortions are to save the life of the mother.

 

[Buntspecht]

A “ferilized egg” is not the way to describe a human being.

Apparently, human life starts with a single egg cell being fertilized by a sperm cell. But when we speak of a human beings, we usually do not imagine a single cell. That’s exactly the point.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

 

[royal_archer]

Apparently, human life starts with a single egg cell being fertilized by a sperm cell. But when we speak of a human beings, we usually do not imagine a single cell. That’s exactly the point.

Best regards,
Buntspecht

Through out history people have used dehumnaizing terms to describe people they want to kill by deceiving others into supporting them.