Poll: Gift of praying in tongues

[Charlotte408]

properly and in order is good I once saw a video of a charismatic service that was VERY chaotic… and it made me really uncomfortable. But the healing Mass I went to was very orderly and people did only speak one at a time, and for parts of it there was an interpreter!

there’s also a part in Corinthians I believe where St Paul says that when people speak in tongues, no one can understand them because they’re speaking mysteries to God… or something like this… so people take that to mean that it’s alright to use it as a prayer language too. The rules he gave above are for using it in church, with others present. But if it’s just you, of course that doesn’t apply. (speaking one at a time, etc)

So you agree that speaking in tongues in a mass, or in a large group-church setting is against St. Pauls rules?

It’s speaking in unknown languages…it’s a gift of the Holy Spirit

tongues= language
jibberish=jibberish (or maybe possibily the language of another spirit, no way to discern-herein lies the problem)

The debate isnt over wether or not people should ‘speak in tongues’, the debate is wether speaking in tongues is someone truly blessed by God with a gift to speak a language they otherwise would have no ability to speak or understand, or- if jibberish is considered authentic ‘speaking in tongues’.

Keep in mind the Churches teachings on ‘babblings’.

 

[Monica4316]

It’s explained later in the chapter… When she says a joyous and strange prayer… she’s talking about a new experience of prayer. Read: ecstasy

I’ll read the chapter when I’m back home…I wonder which translation is more accurate though! In any case… I want to know what the Church says about the CCR

Monica, you are great. I love it. All I can figure is that you are where you should be.
It’s a process. When you are ready, the teacher will appear. Like I said though, the immersion in the Holy Spirit comes first. That “infilling” is real and “good.” Seek the Giver not the gift. And if you never pray in tongues, it won’t matter. God wants “you” first and foremost. He wants us.

Ask, Seek…Knock! I wish I were there to help you.

thank you for your post God bless you!

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Sorry. What you have is a bad translation. Probably a charismatic.

Here’s a good translation:
books.google.com/books?id=s6JdAAAAMAAJ&dq=interior%20castle%20teresa&as_brr=1&pg=PA134#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The passage in question:

Among these sweet yet painful favors, our Lord also gives sometimes certain transports*, and a strange kind of prayer which she does not understand. But I mention it here, in order that you might praise Him exceedingly (should He be pleased to grant you this favour), and that you may know it is something which really happens. It is, in my opinion, a close union of the powers, though our Lord here leaves them with their liberty, in order that they may possess this joy; and the same also happens to the senses, without their knowing what they enjoy, nor how they enjoy it. This may seem something very odd and strange, but the thing certainly happens.

Transports is footnoted with the following phrase:
unos jubilos y oracion estrana

This means:a joyous and strange prayer

Sorry. She’s talking about something other than tongues.

You’re still bargaining.

Give it a chance plan16, you might be pleasantly surprised with the CCR and the gift of tongues.

both translations say that it is a special prayer. So it is not something typical of prayer, it is special. Also, this prayer is not understood by the person praying.

where is this part in your translation:

“the soul wouldn’t want to enjoy it alone but wants to tell everyone about it so that they might help this soul praise our Lord. All its activity is directed to this praise. Oh, how many festivals and demonstrations of the soul would organize”

it seems that this special kind of prayer is something that we can show to others so that they also might be able to pray in this way. We might even have some festivals of praise together too if this happened.

here is another translation of the first part:

Amongst these favours, at once painful and pleasant, Our Lord sometimes causes in the soul a certain jubilation and a strange and mysterious kind of prayer. If He bestows this grace on you, praise Him fervently for it; I describe it so that you may know that it is something real. I believe that the faculties of the soul are closely united to God but that He leaves them at liberty to rejoice in their happiness together with the senses, although they do not know what they are enjoying nor how they do so. This may sound nonsense but it really happens. So excessive is its jubilee that the soul will not enjoy it alone but speaks of it to all around so that they may help it to praise God, which is its one desire.

 

[Monica4316]

So you agree that speaking in tongues in a mass, or in a large group-church setting is against St. Pauls rules?

I think it depends on how it’s done and why they’re doing it… I think that if it’s done in church, it should be the way St Paul described. But if a person is just praying, say alone in their room, then of course the rules are no longer applicable

there are also times like during praise and worship where people start praying out loud and pray in tongues (have seen it happen)

I’m sorry I don’t know for sure

tongues= language
jibberish=jibberish (or maybe possibily the language of another spirit, no way to discern-herein lies the problem)

The debate isnt over wether or not people should ‘speak in tongues’, the debate is wether speaking in tongues is someone truly blessed by God with a gift to speak a language they otherwise would have no ability to speak or understand, or- if jibberish is considered authentic ‘speaking in tongues’.

Keep in mind the Churches teachings on ‘babblings’.

what is it? (the Church’s teachings on ‘babblings’)

I think when Christ said not to pray with many words, He meant - don’t think that the more you say, the better your prayer will be… for example, let’s say you need some help… it’s alright to simply say “Lord please help me” cause He already knows what it is you don’t have to go on and on about it. That’s how I interpret the verse… and that’s how I think the Church interprets it too?

of course it’s alright to talk to God for a long time if youre just doing it to be with Him, understanding that you don’t HAVE TO say all those words, but just for love of Him

like how some people love saying the Hail Mary over and over because they love Mary

 

[plan19]

Give it a chance plan19

You’re back to bargaining, Flame.

You gave me your “secret weapon” and I just proved that she was only talking about a different experience of prayer… Now you’re trying to rationalize in a different direction.

The fact of the matter is this: for all of the research and reading you have done… you still have yet to provide a single, solitary example of a saint speaking in gibberish.

Ball’s in your court.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

So you agree that speaking in tongues in a mass, or in a large group-church setting is against St. Pauls rules?

some day you will laugh that we had this conversation. Yes, as I said, we can pray personally to God aloud in tongues because it has no interpretation. That is my very point, St. Paul says that there is a kind of praying in tongues that no one can understand because it is a prayer thta only God understands. What do you think this would sound like if I prayed in a tongue that neither I nor anyone else understood? It not be understood! that is precisely what we do! Praise the Lord!!!

what I am referring to is 1 Cor 14:2.

 

[Monica4316]

I wish I could go to the Vatican and ask Pope Benedict what he thinks lol!!

 

[sauce]

Everyone is a candidate. It’s the yielding that gives way to the working of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

You’re back to bargaining, Flame.

You gave me your “secret weapon” and I just proved that she was only talking about a different experience of prayer… Now you’re trying to rationalize in a different direction.

The fact of the matter is this: for all of the research and reading you have done… you still have yet to provide a single, solitary example of a saint speaking in gibberish.

Ball’s in your court.

Bro! I am praying for you for reals. May the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, bless you with every spiritual gift under the heavens and make you strong in love with His hand guiding you always. I don’t want to argue too much, I am not perfect and yes, I will probably not prove anything. But I do want to offer a wonderful blessing that I have received from our Lord Jesus. I want to offer this as a disciple of our Lord, to you my fellow brothers and sisters.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

I’ll be back later everyone, I pray that you all are blessed while I am gone. would if I came back and you had all miraculously began praying in tongues…

 

[Monica4316]

I like your attitude

yes let’s just all pray and God will show, I hope! we sometimes argue SOO much, but I’ve learned - we can’t really prove anything in debates! I mean, it’s really hard, and sometimes it only drives people apart

let’s remember - we’re all CATHOLICS - one Body in Christ we shouldn’t argue about anything! haha

 

[plan19]

Bro! I am praying for you for reals. May the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, bless you with every spiritual gift under the heavens and make you strong in love with His hand guiding you always. I don’t want to argue too much, I am not perfect and yes, I will probably not prove anything. But I do wnat to offer a wonderful blessing that I have received from our Lord Jesus. I want to offer this as a disciple of our Lord, to you my fellow brothers and sister.

You don’t even know that your gift of gibberish is FROM the Lord.

I do not contest the gift of tongues. What I contest is this foolishness of incoherent babbling.

Before you go telling people they should adopt your practice… you should make sure your practice is valid and correct.

Let me help you out: it’s not. What you’re doing is wrong. I like your enthusiasm… you’re just acting on really, REALLY bad information.

I will pray for your soul.

 

[Monica4316]

wow everyone here has such a strong opinion, except me

I feel pretty lost!

pray for me too you guys

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

I just received a word from the Lord for us: “Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of God.”

Let us follow God always, doing His will for our lives. The church is our guidance to know God’s will by the way.

 

[sauce]

If only things weren’t so hard down on the farm.

Flame of Christ does not need to jump to answer what saint has spoken bla bla bla,
nor does he need to respond to snaps.

If anything, all we can pray is that those who are troubled by the idea of tongues get a
direct “response” from God himself. That would be the best. So, may the Holy Spirit fill you in a way that you have never been filled before. And may you all “bump” into someone who is anointed for the task. Thank you Holy Spirit. All in your time.

 

[Monica4316]

let’s also pray to Mary, Spouse of the Holy Spirit

 

[Hiskid1973]

I think the reason he said we must maintain our link to the Catholic Church, is because there are charismatic Protestants too, and sometimes Catholics start going to their churches because they like the charismatic part

maybe he’s also telling us to make sure our beliefs always stay Catholic and we don’t start believing any wrong doctrines

Hey we have a few Catholics who come to our church…They like the preaching and fellowship…I have been in large gatherings where nuns were there near me with their hand up and singing /worshiping with the rest of us…

 

[Monica4316]

Hey we have a few Catholics who come to our church…They like the preaching and fellowship…I have been in large gatherings where nuns were there near me with their hand up and singing /worshiping with the rest of us…

Hi Hiskid

I’d explain this but I’ve been debating people online for so much that I don’t want to get into any debates anymore… lol…

what I meant is just that it’s sad to me when Catholics leave the Sacraments

God bless

 

[Hiskid1973]

Hi Hiskid

I’d explain this but I’ve been debating people online for so much that I don’t want to get into any debates anymore… lol…

what I meant is just that it’s sad to me when Catholics leave the Sacraments

God bless

Hi Monica no need to debate …I just made a comment to what he said…Peace to you…
It was pretty cool in that large gathering to see the nuns in their nun outfits us all worshiping the Lord together…It was open for all churches…People came from many states…

 

[Herve]

Hi,

I used to go to “catholic” charismatic meetings earlier in my life, and it never felt quite right to see the 20 year old “leaders” at the front of the assembly, who were able to “receive” graces to speak in “tongues”, specially that it seemed not to have any structure like real languages have.

Until one day I asked one of them who was really invovled into one of those charismatic communities what her opinion is on this, and she said they were “encouraged to practice in their room”… and it had “no meaning”.

I’m no expert, but to me charism are only sent by God if it turns people to Him, and not the charismatic person into a pride basket.

I don’t want to judge people who truly have graces from God, but I must say there is no reason to try to build up what can be seen as a social advantage (well, depends on your social circle I suppose).

If it was me, I would seek spiritual guidance from an experienced priest and my preference would be to follow St John of the Cross spirituality - which (to my understanding) is to renounce to surnatural gifts if we are allowed to do so, because it has to turn oneself inward and not toward God.

Bless you all.