Poll: Most Miami-Dade Catholics oppose celibacy vow

[lemonbeam]

Despite declaring he is not ashamed of being with the woman he loves, the Rev. Alberto Cutié remains highly popular among Miami-Dade Catholics, who overwhelmingly oppose the church’s long-standing policy of requiring a celibate clergy, a poll conducted for The Miami Herald over the weekend has found.

Among the poll’s findings:

A substantial majority – 74 percent – of those surveyed, including Hispanics and non-Hispanics, oppose the Roman Catholic Church’s prohibition of priests marrying or having any type of sexual relations. Only 22 percent said they supported the prohibition, while 4 percent said they were unsure or gave no answer.

That majority was even larger – 81 percent – when those polled were asked whether they thought priests and nuns should be able to marry because the ``celibacy requirement for Catholic clergy is antiquated and no longer viable.’’

‘‘In rejecting one of the cardinal tenets of church dogma, Roman Catholics in Miami-Dade now believe that church policies on celibacy from the 12th century no longer make sense for the 21st century,’’ said Fernand R. Amandi, executive vice president of Bendixen & Associates, which conducted the poll for The Miami Herald.

The poll’s results are based on responses from 400 Miami-Dade Catholics interviewed Friday and Saturday. The sample is representative of the county’s Catholic population by ethnicity, age, gender and geographic distribution. The margin of error is plus or minus 5 percentage points.

The poll also shows that the public’s perception of Cutié, who is no longer leading his Miami Beach parish, has not been severely damaged by the scandal that engulfed his religious life after a magazine published photos of him with a woman on the beach, including one with Cutié’s hand inside the woman’s bathing suit. Another photo shows the couple kissing at an unidentified terrace bar…

miamiherald.com/486/story/1042096.html

 

[KathleenElsie]

Ever wondered what the poll numbers would have been as to if Christ should be scourged, crucified and if Christ really do rise from the dead at the time these things were happening?

As I have said polls are able to be manipulated and are only popularity contests.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

81 percent of Catholics. What Catholics? Does that include the 80 percent that doesn’t even go to church? Then, let’s factor in that most of the people that say they are Catholic, and go to mass, do not believe in Catholicism, well, they are hardly getting an informed opinion.

 

[Augie1530]

Something tells me we have not heard the last on this or the scandal at ND with Mr Obama . My personal thoughs on this Miami crisis is that lots of marginal catholics will leave the church as well as cradle catholics and that the prots will use this as one more nail in the catholic church to re crucify catholic doctrine any thoughts on this observation ???

 

[KathleenElsie]

Something tells me we have not heard the last on this or the scandal at ND with Mr Obama . My personal thoughs on this Miami crisis is that lots of marginal catholics will leave the church as well as cradle catholics and that the prots will use this as one more nail in the catholic church to re crucify catholic doctrine any thoughts on this observation ???

Please read:

The Decline & Fall of the Catholic Church in America
by
David Carlin

This will tell you what has happend in the past, is now happening and can happen in the future. It has shown me how things have changed ans why.

 

[cymonk]

“church policies on celibacy from the 12th century no longer make sense for the 21st century”

…Yes, in the 21rst century, we are a lot better about marriage than we used to be. In fact, divorce is at its lowest (very sarcastically speaking). With as loud as our media is about one of our clergy stepping out of line about anything… just imagine the extra scandal we would have going across the church if we had a bunch of priests divorce.

This survey was likely to include a large percentage of people that dont attend mass regularly… but I wonder if they even understand that a priest is married to the Church and Christ was? Or if they realize the benefits of having priests who do not have divided responsibilities?

Respect and Love for our priesthood (as is),
Cymonk

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

I love the line “when those polled were asked whether they thought priests and nuns should be able to marry.”

I wonder if the people creating the survey, let alone the people answering it, have any idea that there’s a difference between the diocesan priesthood and those who take religious vows. Brothers, sisters, nuns, and religious priests take a vow of chastity. Diocesan priests don’t take vows at all. Would you want to be married to someone who has made a vow of chastity to God?

Diocesan priests…yeah, the discipline could change. But not for religious, either male or female.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

1Tm4

10 And then shall many be scandalized: and shall betray one another: and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.

Mt24

The Church’s ultimate trial

675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575

**Also, keep in mind that most Catholics ARE, as you call it, " marginal Catholics". Most (80%?) don’t even go to church! **

Something tells me we have not heard the last on this or the scandal at ND with Mr Obama . My personal thoughs on this Miami crisis is that lots of marginal catholics will leave the church as well as cradle catholics and that the prots will use this as one more nail in the catholic church to re crucify catholic doctrine any thoughts on this observation ???

 

[KathleenElsie]

Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

1Tm4

10 And then shall many be scandalized: and shall betray one another: and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many.

Mt24

The Church’s ultimate trial

675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575

**Also, keep in mind that most Catholics ARE, as you call it, " marginal Catholics". Most (80%?) don’t even go to church! **

Welcome and GOOD POST!!!

 

[CGDouglas]

Ever wondered what the poll numbers would have been as to if Christ should be scourged, crucified and if Christ really do rise from the dead at the time these things were happening?

As I have said polls are able to be manipulated and are only popularity contests.

Not to mention also when we remember when the population (you could say polls, or votes or wishes) wanted to free Barabbas over Christ.

But it doesn’t just have to be polls or votes or wishes etc,

Recently, German Bishops have went to the extreme length to even deny Christ’s redemptive death.

Blog link.

All in all, we must stick to Church teachings, and not pick for personal wishes and wants, in which this seems to want to destroy a good fundamental importance of Priesthood, Celibacy.

God Bless.

Chris.

 

[redrosetea]

81 percent of Catholics. What Catholics? Does that include the 80 percent that doesn’t even go to church? Then, let’s factor in that most of the people that say they are Catholic, and go to mass, do not believe in Catholicism, well, they are hardly getting an informed opinion.

Exactly…Thank God the church ist run by polls

 

[elgar]

I love the line “when those polled were asked whether they thought priests and nuns should be able to marry.”

I wonder if the people creating the survey, let alone the people answering it, have any idea that there’s a difference between the diocesan priesthood and those who take religious vows. Brothers, sisters, nuns, and religious priests take a vow of chastity. Diocesan priests don’t take vows at all. Would you want to be married to someone who has made a vow of chastity to God?

Diocesan priests…yeah, the discipline could change. But not for religious, either male or female.

The MSM knows very little about how the Catholic Church ticks and rely on the emotions of people to hype things up. Hollywood knows even less but doesn’t keep them from making movies about the church to show their ignorance.

I also believe MOST Catholics are CINOs–Catholics in Name Only! Just look at the reaction to Fr. Cutie’s indescretions with his girl friend. “If only the church could get modern and allow priests and nuns to marry”. Even if the pope lifted the celibacy discipline for married men to become priests, it wouldn’t help in Cutie’s case since he was a priest first.

Also, his girl friend has 2 children by 2 relationships, I believe, and divorced at least once. So if the Padre leaves the priesthood to get married, he won’t be in good graces with the Catholic church unless she can get her marriage(s) annulled first. What a mess. And all those catholics with opinions on how the church should change to suit them. Oh barf!

 

[Catholic20064]

I would guess that even those who attend mass weekly would be open to married clergy. There is no prohibition in the scriptures regarding priestly marriage. Even John Paul II said that it was a tradition subject to change. Clergy in the Eastern rite churches can marry. So it really is not doctrinally unsound to favor allowing priests to marry. There are arguments for and against it, but it is not really a matter of correct doctrine or not. The only thing that is prohibited is for women to become priests.

 

[elgar]

I would guess that even those who attend mass weekly would be open to married clergy. There is no prohibition in the scriptures regarding priestly marriage. Even John Paul II said that it was a tradition subject to change. Clergy in the Eastern rite churches can marry. So it really is not doctrinally unsound to favor allowing priests to marry. There are arguments for and against it, but it is not really a matter of correct doctrine or not. The only thing that is prohibited is for women to become priests.

You are incorrect about the Eastern rite churches and other circumstances even in the Latin rite in regard to “allowing priests to marry”. It would have to be the other way around, allowing a married man (first) to become a priest. Once a priest there is no going back to get married. So people need to accept this or find a church that meets their point of view.

 

[rlg94086]

miamiherald.com/486/story/1042096.html

I particularly liked this display of ignorance…

‘‘In rejecting one of the cardinal tenets of church dogma, Roman Catholics in Miami-Dade now believe that church policies on celibacy from the 12th century no longer make sense for the 21st century,’’ said Fernand R. Amandi, executive vice president of Bendixen & Associates, which conducted the poll for The Miami Herald.

:doh2:

“What an ultra-maroon…what a nin-cow-poop…what a gull-a-bull” - Bugs Bunny

 

[JReducation]

I love the line “when those polled were asked whether they thought priests and nuns should be able to marry.”

I wonder if the people creating the survey, let alone the people answering it, have any idea that there’s a difference between the diocesan priesthood and those who take religious vows. Brothers, sisters, nuns, and religious priests take a vow of chastity. Diocesan priests don’t take vows at all. Would you want to be married to someone who has made a vow of chastity to God?

Diocesan priests…yeah, the discipline could change. But not for religious, either male or female.

What you have said is 100% correct. As a religious, there is no such thing as religious life without celibate chastity. Celibacy for secular priests is an option that the Church has traditionally followed since the first generation and became law about 1,000 years ago. But it was not something new.

Celibacy was part of many religious cultures, not just Christianity. Christians brought the concept with them from Judaism, Rome, Greece and from the teachings of Christ and St. Paul.

That being said, the creators of the poll and those who asked the questions have no clue as to what they’re asking. They don’t understand the difference between sacrament and promise, promise and vow, secular and religious. They also don’t know that the Church has never allowed priests to marry.

The Church allowed married men to become priests, but not single priests to get married. There is a big difference. If one wants to know more about this, a good place to start is to study the Orthodox Christians and the Eastern Rite Catholics. They have followed the ancient tradition without change for 2,000 years, hence the term “orthodox.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Catholic20064]

You are incorrect about the Eastern rite churches and other circumstances even in the Latin rite in regard to “allowing priests to marry”. It would have to be the other way around, allowing a married man (first) to become a priest. Once a priest there is no going back to get married. So people need to accept this or find a church that meets their point of view.

Yep, you’re right. My wrong. But the gist of it is the same – there is a tradition of allowing married men to become priests in the Eastern rite. The Western rite could change to allow the same thing. I agree that priests who have taken a vow of celibacy should not be allowed to marry.

 

[Mark77]

The problem isn’t celibacy, it’s an individual priest who cannot control himself.

If he were married and had an affair, then the same logic says that marriage should be abolished???

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Por Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

Or, if not abolish marriage, abolish fidelity to one person in marriage, or have polygamy.

The problem isn’t celibacy, it’s an individual priest who cannot control himself.

If he were married and had an affair, then the same logic says that marriage should be abolished???

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Por Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[tm30]

Since the flock do not get to “vote” on this discipline, what is the purpose of such a poll except to exacerbate divisions among Catholics? I find it completely diabolical.