Poll: Romney may see an evangelical ‘enthusiasm gap’

[RebeccaJ]

Maybe something aimed at college aged Mormons.

"While the record indicates that God created the heavens and the earth, there is additional information as to exactly who that was. The Prophet Joseph said:

“I shall comment on the very first Hebrew word in the Bible; I will make a comment on the very first sentence of the history of creation in the Bible— Berosheit. I want to analyze the word. Baith —in, by, through, and everything else. Rosh —the head. Sheit —grammatical termination. When the inspired man wrote it, he did not put the baith there. An old Jew without any authority added the word; he thought it too bad to begin to talk about the head! It read first, ‘The head one of the Gods brought forth the Gods.’ That is the true meaning of the words. Baurau signifies to bring forth. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the learned man of God. Learned men can teach you no more than what I have told you. Thus the head God brought forth the Gods in the grand council.

“. . . The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world. The grand councilors sat at the head in yonder heavens and contemplated the creation of the worlds which were created at the time.” ( Teachings, pp. 348–49.) The Abraham account of the Creation reflects this idea of the plurality of Gods (see Abraham 4 ).

(bold mine)

 

[RebeccaJ]

Let’s get to know the Mormon Heavenly Mother…a Mormon goddess…

“prophets taught that God was not single, but married; that there is a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother; and that we were made in their image: male and female children” (here)

“Finally, remember: When we return to our real home, it will be with the “mutual approbation” of those who reign in the “royal courts on high.” There we will find beauty such as mortal “eye hath not seen”; we will hear sounds of surpassing music which mortal “ear hath not heard.” Could such a regal homecoming be possible without the anticipatory arrangements of a Heavenly Mother?” (here)

“Women are endowed with special traits and attributes that come trailing down through eternity from a divine mother. Young women have special God-given feelings about charity, love, and obedience. Coarseness and vulgarity are contrary to their natures. They have a modifying, softening influence on young men. Young women were not foreordained to do what priesthood holders do. Theirs is a sacred, God-given role, and the traits they received from heavenly mother are equally as important as those given to the young men.” (here)

Let’s not leave out verse from the Mormon hymn, “O My Father”

I had learned to call thee Father, Through thy Spirit from on high,
But until the key of knowledge Was restored, I knew not why.
In the heavens are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason, truth eternal Tells me I’ve a mother there.

PS: comparing the Mormon heavenly mother to the Blessed Virgin Mary has been covered in this thread.

 

[tarboy]

Paul, I’d love to see that happen and set an example for some of the other fat cats feeding at the Govt trough. I read he’s a ‘numbers guy’ - we need someone like that to put some fear/discipline into the GSA. I’m sick of reading about their scandals.

Unlikely. Romney has never accepted payment for public service. Both as President and CEO of the SLC olympics and as Governor of MA, Romney never took a salary. I doubt he would break that pattern as POTUS.

olympus, I’m with you on that. I always thought I was paid because I earned my salary, at which point it becomes my money spend as I see fit

If Romney becomes president he will have the right use his money as he wants and believes. He will protect the constitution so that we will all continue to have this right. By the way, I love paying tithing. I recommend everyone pay tithing to the church of their choice.

 

[tarboy]

Mummsies, you mis-quoted me and you promised not to do so. I am always . MTOlympus has said that there is “spin” in what I have said, that I have twisted the truth, and that they would find some of the things difficult to get enthused about if they were true. It’s now fair to ask what did I spin and what wouldnt get them enthused if true? I also asked did he understand why Evangelicals may lack enthusiasm for Mitt? I promise to be of good behavior moving forward as I already said…

Pork
Are you a recent convert?

You clearly show a strong predilection for Evangelism through Mockery

It is not the Catholic way

 

[Lucky7]

I believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God. The only difference is that I believe they are one in purpose and authority and not one in substance.

Why don’t Mormons believe that they are one in substance? Because traditional Christianity does.

 

[TexanKnight]

I would say it is more a matter of negative spin to make the teachings of the LDS church sound as foolish as possible and the leaders a bunch of evil money grubbers, (though there are many posts that really do try to be fair.) The same negative spin tactics could be (and are) used against the Catholic Church by anti-catholics to create the same kind of negative opinion of the Catholic Church and its members who might be political candidates. I believe that in this nation there is currently an assalt on all the religions that believe in Jesus Christ and the standards they hold dear. I am enthused about Mitt Romney as the man who can lead our country and fight to keep our religious liberties that we enjoy today.

Let me first say, that I support Mitt Romney.

But, in our defense, we do not need to put a negative spin on LDS teachings. They are negative all in themselves. Polygamy, blood oaths, false prophets, Adam-God, God was a sinful man…those teachings are negative all by their lonesome.

I will support Mitt Romney because a Mormon is better than a moron.

 

[TexanKnight]

Everyone should realize that there is more than one definition of a Christian. The original definition was a follower or disciple of Christ. (Acts 11:26) Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe in Jesus Christ and try to adhere to His teachings. They certainly believe they are Christians.

Most Mormons do not realize that the official definition of “Christian” by the Catholic Church and most protestants is that a Christian is one who adheres to the belief of the Triune God as defined in the Nicene Creed, (Trinitarian). All agree that Mormons do not believe this.

Latter-day Saints are Christians but they are not Trinitarians.

Actually, just because you use the name “Christ” does mean you follow Christ. You follow a very strange version of him. The True Christ is the Son of the Eternal Father. Your “Christ” is the son of an un-eternal god who used to be a sinful man. I hope you can see why many do not consider you Christians.

 

[TexanKnight]

I pray to the one God that Jesus prays to, and believe in the one God discribed by Paul. I believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God. The only difference is that I believe they are one in purpose and authority and not one in substance. I don’t believe in any other god. Don’t you think I know what I believe?

As for your question, we are told that “we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ.” Since I believe that Christ is the Judge and that Christ is God, I believe He can and will do what he wants. If Christ wants to delegate authority to his apostles as he did in Matt. 18:15-18 that is fine with me. “Does this include Judas?” Of course not, why would you even say that in connection to your phrase “in the Mormon faith”?

I am not trying to prove what I believe. I am only trying to do what you asked me to do, and that is to point out your negative spin that you put on LDS beliefs.

and hence the problem…you may not BELIEVE in any other god, but you believe they exist. your church has always taught in the plurality of gods. We believe God when He says He is the ONLY God.

 

[Porknpie]

I pray to the one God that Jesus prays to, and believe in the one God discribed by Paul. I believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God. The only difference is that I believe they are one in purpose and authority and not one in substance. I don’t believe in any other god. Don’t you think I know what I believe?

As for your question, we are told that “we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ.” Since I believe that Christ is the Judge and that Christ is God, I believe He can and will do what he wants. If Christ wants to delegate authority to his apostles as he did in Matt. 18:15-18 that is fine with me. “Does this include Judas?” Of course not, why would you even say that in connection to your phrase “in the Mormon faith”?

I am not trying to prove what I believe. I am only trying to do what you asked me to do, and that is to point out your negative spin that you put on LDS beliefs.

MTOympus -

Please accept my sincere apology in how I have behaved toward you on this post. I regret how I have responded to you. The Mormon church has come a little to close to me personally of which I won’t get into and I’ve learned that I am harboring some pretty negative feelings that are coming through. I’m going to exile myself from responding on this post and other Mormon posts and let others appropriately do so. Please pray for me and likewise, I will for you. :imsorry:

 

[TheExorcist]

and hence the problem…you may not BELIEVE in any other god, but you believe they exist. your church has always taught in the plurality of gods. We believe God when He says He is the ONLY God.

You need to look only to the Mormon Godhead to see a plurality of gods. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are by definition in the Mormon view separate gods, because they are separate and distinct beings.

 

[Patavium]

I will support Mitt Romney because a Mormon is better than a moron.

Yes indeed

 

[mtolympus]

MTOympus -

Please accept my sincere apology in how I have behaved toward you on this post. I regret how I have responded to you. The Mormon church has come a little to close to me personally of which I won’t get into and I’ve learned that I am harboring some pretty negative feelings that are coming through. I’m going to exile myself from responding on this post and other Mormon posts and let others appropriately do so. Please pray for me and likewise, I will for you. :imsorry:

Apology accepted, and thanks for the prayers. I will pray for you also.

 

[mtolympus]

Why don’t Mormons believe that they are one in substance? Because traditional Christianity does.

Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith and that he saw them as two separate beings.

 

[SteveVH]

Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith and that he saw them as two separate beings.

May I ask, to whom do you believe the term “invisible God” in the following verse is referring?

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”
(Colossians 1:15)

I would be interested in your interpretation of this verse.

Thanks.

 

[tarboy]

You need to look only to the Mormon Godhead to see a plurality of gods. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are by definition in the Mormon view separate gods, because they are separate and distinct beings.

And by definition all us Catholics see them as three distinct PERSONS.
Sadly, our scriptures don’t really define the difference between a Being and a Person.

 

[SteveVH]

And by definition all us Catholics see them as three distinct PERSONS.
Sadly, our scriptures don’t really define the difference between a Being and a Person.

Church teaching has certainly explained the difference. It uses the word “substance” and “being” interchangeably. There is only one divine substance (being), and that is God. God’s nature is uniquely divine; all else is created. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in substance (consubstantial); one in being; yet three separate Persons. The Persons are not separate beings, but one divine Being. This is a mystery as the Church has said from the beginning. God is beyond our comprehension. Yet what we believe about the Trinity is based upon divine revelation; this wasn’t something dreamed up by men. The fact that it may be difficult for any of us to grasp has no bearing on its truthfulness. We believe it because this truth was given to us by the Apostles who received it from Christ.

 

[mtolympus]

May I ask, to whom do you believe the term “invisible God” in the following verse is referring?

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
(Colossians 1:15)

I would be interested in your interpretation of this verse.

Thanks.

Here is my interpretation as best I can:

Jesus Christ is the image of the Father. The Father is described by Paul as the “invisible God”. Why was the Father described by Paul as the invisible God? I believe that this was because Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. (1 Tim 2:5) Jesus often speaks to man using the words from the Father. (John 14:24) In other words Jesus appears to man on behalf of the Father. There are a number of reports from the Old Testament of men who saw God, (Moses, Jacob and others). However, it was Jesus Christ whom they had seen. The testimony of John the Baptist may help us understand this concept:

“John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him”. (John 1:15-18)

John the Baptist was testifying of Jesus, who would come after him, when he said that “he was before me.” John was referring to Old Testament times, when “the law was given by Moses,” and told them that it was Jesus Christ who had appeared to the prophets. For they had never seen God (the Father) at any time but bore record of the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father. Jesus Christ had declared the Father unto them.

Jesus is the God of the Old Testament and no man save Jesus had seen the Father. It was only after Jesus Christ over came the fall of Adam through the Atonement that there was any biblical record of man seeing the Father. At the martardom of Stephen, Stephen saw Jesus Christ standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55-56)