POLL: Which is more likely: Women Deacons OR Women Cardinals?

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P.S. I probably shouldn’t have had a “both highly unlikely” option, because it’s not really productive for the point of this thread. And also, I have a feeling many people are voting based off what they WANT, rather than actual plausibility (after all, arguably there has to be one option that is at least MORE likely than the other).
 
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OP here.

Thanks for speaking for me!

Not.

I can answer for myself.
 
And as I stated elsewhere, I do not think women deacons or cardinals are necessary in order to serve the church.

And, fair or not, I tend to view this movement with some skepticism because generally a lot of the people that discuss this are also heterodox and feel the church should “change”, be modernized and watered down. Like that has worked out so well for us in the last 50 years.
 
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Are these threads started for the sole purpose of riling people up?
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So you weren’t answering “yes” to:
Are these threads started for the sole purpose of riling people up?
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Because I can tell you I didn’t start this thread to “rile people up.”

Pet peeve on CAF: When every other person questions your motives for starting a thread. And then insists on it.
 
If you’re gonna quote me do it right. [Which you didn’t.]
 
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And as I stated elsewhere, I do not think women deacons or cardinals are necessary in order to serve the church.
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Fair.
And, fair or not, I tend to view this movement with some skepticism because generally a lot of the people that discuss this are also heterodox and feel the church should “change”, be modernized and watered down. Like that has worked out so well for us in the last 50 years.
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I don’t know if they are heterodox are not. Usually the “heterodox” are the ones advocating for women priests. Like I said, this thread is not about women priests.

Let’s be fair and realize that many orthodox Catholics try to look for ways to have more lay involvement in the Church, which includes women involvement – perhaps more specifically.
 
Show me where I’m off:

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If you weren’t answering the question with "yep,’ then fine. But it’s the only question in the quote, so I assumed that was the question you were answering.

Sorry if that’s not true. It seemed like it.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
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catholic1seeks said:
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adgloriam:
Are these threads started for the sole purpose of riling people up?
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To which you answered “yep” to, right?
 
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catholic1seeks said:
Let’s be fair and realize that many orthodox Catholics try to look for ways to have more lay involvement in the Church, which includes women involvement – perhaps more specifically.
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That’s cool. I can’t really fault anyone for trying to seek solutions.
 
Please permit me a question in honesty: You studied theology? You hold a graduate degree in philosophy/theology from a US college?
 
We don’t need women deacons or women cardinals to promote equality. We can put them in high ranking places that don’t require ordinations
 
Just to be clear, the OP includes the understanding that the deaconess would not be ordained. And neither would the woman Cardinal. Just FYI.

If you meant that we already have leadership/decision-making roles available to women (and lay men), then I would agree. This thread is not asking if there is or is not currently any non-ordained leadership roles in the Church.
 
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1Lord1Faith said:
You might need to read up on Catholic theology. Reading the signs of the times is a criterion of theology. The implication of reading the signs of the times is that change may be in order. A colloquial way of saying this is “get with the times”.
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Yeah, no.

23 “Thus he said: ‘As for the fourth beast,
there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,
which shall be different from all the kingdoms,
and it shall devour the whole earth,
and trample it down, and break it to pieces.
…He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;
and they shall be given into his hand
for a time, times, and half a time.
26 But the court shall sit in judgment,
and his dominion shall be taken away,
to be consumed and destroyed to the end.
27 And the kingdom and the dominion
and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven
shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High;
his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’
(Daniel 7:23-27)
 
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Not very likely for a Woman Cardinal in the 21st Century.

Back in the 19th Century, when the Pope had the Papal States to rule over along with his other duties- having capable statesmen including women, to help him in those affairs would have been sensible. No one needs to be ordained or a man to looks after road maintenance, prison construction or osteopathy licensing.

But right now, I don’t see the need
 
Could it be y’all are talking about two very different understandings of “get with the times.” Speaking past each other?

Obviously, there are things in the Church that cannot change with time.

And there are obviously things in the Church that can change with time.

Wasn’t this largely what Vatican II was about? To approach the Faith in a way that takes into account the modern era — or communications, society, technology, etc…

With regards to women, the approach the Church has had towards women has definitely “changed with the times” — as it should over 20 centuries.
 
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catholic1seeks said:
And there are obviously things in the Church that can change with time.

Wasn’t this largely what Vatican II was about? To approach the Faith in a way that takes into account the modern era — or communications, society, technology, etc…

With regards to women, the approach the Church has had towards women has definitely “changed with the times” — as it should over 20 centuries.
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This is the part many don’t seem to get. To some extent, the Church is influenced by culture and would adapt. For example, I highly doubt JPII would have written the Letter To Women/etc and called for more participation if there was no external push towards gender equality.

Dogma won’t change, obviously.
 
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To which you answered “yep” to, right?
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He’s pointing out that words you attributed to him in your block quote were actually written by thom18.

When you edited down the quote you removed the wrong part of the code.
 
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