Poll: Women boost Obama over Romney in swing states

[ComputerGeek25]

Oh please spare me the hyperbole. He’s not trashing Christianity. The man is a Christian himself. Baptized and married in the United Church of Christ. His daughters as well were baptized.

Stop being so naive.

Simply recieving the Christian Sacraments may technically make one Christian, but one can easily be separated from God and the Church through their actions.

You do realize Stalin and Hitler were baptized? Stalin was a seminarian and Hitler sang in the church choir as a boy. Technically they were Christian but their behaviour certainly wasn’t objectively Christian like. Mortal sin certainly will make you fall out of favor with God.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Which “recovery”? The 2010 one? The one after the 617 Billion “Stimulus”? The one that would have caused the unemployment rate to skyrocket to 10%, if it wasn’t passed?

Unemployment is still around 8%. The number of those who fell off the unemployment rolls put it much higher. I’m sure those facts don’t mean much to you.

Sorry, the American voter won’t fall for your petty jingoism.

Unemployment is probably much higher if you consider people who have stopped looking or people who are underemployed.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Have you seen the movie?

I generally don’t take my talking points from movies, and no, I haven’t seen that one.

In any case, I trust it reflects at least some Catholic values as doThere be Dragons (about Josemaria Escriva),and The Way (a collaboration between Martin Sheen and his real-life son Emilio Estevez to honor the Camino de Santiago and promote the traditional pilgrimage. Saying he didn’t want the film to appeal to only one demographic, Emilio Estevez called the film “pro-people, pro-life, not anti-anything.”) Both worth seeing , maybe a bit more than The Matrix.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Stop being so naive.

Simply recieving the Christian Sacraments may technically make one Christian, but one can easily be separated from God and the Church through their actions.

You do realize Stalin and Hitler were baptized? Stalin was a seminarian and Hitler sang in the church choir as a boy. Technically they were Christian but their behaviour certainly wasn’t objectively Christian like. Mortal sin certainly will make you fall out of favor with God.

Not “technically.” Hitler’s baptism made him a Catholic regardless of his later actions, and Stalin’s baptism was equally valid in the Orthodox Church.

 

[Lujack]

Being successful, in the minds of most conservatives, probably in the minds of most people, is “being good at doing what you love that is of service to mankind”. Money is a side effect.

I would agree with this definition. I would also say that this definition renders a lot of very rich people unsuccessful (“of service to mankind”; this has nothing to do with whether those people are liberal or conservative).

 

[CMatt25]

He trashes Christianity with his policies, Cmatt. He trashes the catholic church be the HHS mandate. You need to open up your eyes.

Ishii

Believe as you wish Ishii and I’ll believe as I believe. I believe it was very Christian for instance to assure sick people with pre-existing conditions are not denied healthcare insurance coverage by the free market. I believe it’s very Christian not to propose such budgets as the Republicans have where they attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the least amongst us, the poor and middle class. Without being willing to also ask those who can most afford to sacrifice, to pay more in taxes. At one of your party’s debates earlier I saw not a single candidate even willing to sign on to a deficit reduction plan with a 10:1 ratio of budget cuts to revenue increases. And that Ishii, is all my eyes needed to see.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I generally don’t take my talking points from movies, and no, I haven’t seen that one.

In any case, I trust it reflects at least some Catholic values as doThere be Dragons (about Josemaria Escriva),and The Way (a collaboration between Martin Sheen and his real-life son Emilio Estevez to honor the Camino de Santiago and promote the traditional pilgrimage. Saying he didn’t want the film to appeal to only one demographic, Emilio Estevez called the film “pro-people, pro-life, not anti-anything.”) Both worth seeing , maybe a bit more than The Matrix.

I am actually interested in seeing The Way. I heard that the production was in financial trouble and Charlie Sheen whipped out his checkbook and helped out dad and big brother.

 

[CMatt25]

The top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of all Federal taxes.

And you want them pay more?

Hey, that sounds “fairer”!

Yes I want some of them to pay more and yes it’s fair when they can most afford to do so.

 

[CMatt25]

I went over to the Gallup website to see the actual poll numbers and this graphic caught my eye:

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U.S. job market conditions in March reached their best level since August 2008, with Gallup’s Job Creation Index now at +18, up from +14 in February. This four-percentage-point increase is the largest one-month jump in the index that Gallup has recorded since instituting the measure in 2008.

gallup.com/poll/153746/Hiring-Workplaces-Jumps-March.aspx?ref=image

If this trend holds until the general election, Republicans are going to be hard pressed to claim that Obama has mismanaged the economic recovery. Of course, facts and figures don’t mean much to folks who think people who believe in higher education are “snobs”.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You should step down off the pedestal and run with the commoners more often…

My father was an electrician for the railroad, my mother worked for 35 years on the line at a pharmaceutical plant. My one brother was an inspector for the Gas company, and my other brother worked for Microsoft - not as a developer. Commoners all.

I earned my way through college and law school, my wife came from a really poor Sicilian-American family (commoners indeed), and my family lived in an industrial/residential area of Brooklyn, NY. My wife too had to work her way through college and graduate school. She lived in a crumbhole industrial part of Brooklyn.

I guess we’re not common enough for you, so I’ll sincerely wish you, who lives in horse-country Virginia, well with a phrase regarding a white horse.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I am actually interested in seeing The Way. I heard that the production was in financial trouble and Charlie Sheen whipped out his checkbook and helped out dad and big brother.

Money well spent. Don’t be interested in it, go see it.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

My father was an electrician for the railroad, my mother worked for 35 years on the line at a pharmaceutical plant. My one brother was an inspector for the Gas company, and my other brother worked for Microsoft - not as a developer. Commoners all.

I earned my way through college and law school, my wife came from a really poor Sicilian-American family (commoners indeed), and my family lived in an industrial/residential area of Brooklyn, NY. My wife too had to work her way through college and graduate school. She lived in a crumbhole industrial part of Brooklyn.

I guess we’re not common enough for you, so I’ll sincerely wish you, who lives in horse-country Virginia, well with a phrase regarding a white horse.

I don’t have a white horse. Its a chestnut gelding.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Not “technically.” Hitler’s baptism made him a Catholic regardless of his later actions, and Stalin’s baptism was equally valid in the Orthodox Church.

But that’s my point - they are technically they are Chirstian but in name only. Objectively, their actions are not Christian.

That was the point about Obama. He could be baptized but he has shown hostility toward the more orthodox Chrisitan viewpoints - more specifically, his actions speak otherwise.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I don’t have a white horse. Its a chestnut gelding.

Sorry, but I wouldn’t be allowed to post the full phrase about the white horse on this Forum.

How la-di-dah - a horse owner. How many in your stable and do you run to foxes too? The only horses I ever saw in Brooklyn were nags belonging to the junkman and to the fruit and vegetable peddler.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

But that’s my point - they are technically they are Chirstian but in name only. Objectively, their actions are not Christian.

That was the point about Obama. He could be baptized but he has shown hostility toward the more orthodox Chrisitan viewpoints - more specifically, his actions speak otherwise.

Being Christian is not a technicality. It’s an objective fact. That some Christians are sinners doesn’t make them only “technically” Christian.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Sorry, but I wouldn’t be allowed to post the full phrase about the white horse on this Forum.

How la-di-dah - a horse owner. How many in your stable and do you run to foxes too? The only horses I ever saw in Brooklyn were nags belonging to the junkman and to the fruit and vegetable peddler.

I’d run foxes, but I can’t afford the fancy outfit and all the foxhounds necessary. It sucks to be poor.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I’d run foxes, but I can’t afford the fancy outfit and all the foxhounds necessary. It sucks to be poor.

How would you in Virginia horse country know? I’ll give you this - not all you stable owners run to foxes.

 

[SamH]

My point wasn’t directed at Santorum in particular, but more generally to those of his supporters who share this view. Santorum is a well-educated man who obviously believes in education for himself. However, he was speaking to his base in a way that resonates with them - which I find deeply troubling.

If anything, Santorum was taking a gratuitous swipe at President Obama’s very sensible statement during his State of the Union address that all young people must be encouraged to get some sort of post high school education or skills-training if they are to survive in the 21st century economy.

The jobs numbers tell it all. Just look at the unemployment rates by educational attainment:

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Education used to pay until Obama became president.

Employment rates for new college graduates have fallen sharply in the last two years, as have starting salaries for those who can find work. What’s more, only half of the jobs landed by these new graduates even require a college degree, reviving debates about whether higher education is “worth it” after all.

“I have friends with the same degree as me, from a worse school, but because of who they knew or when they happened to graduate, they’re in much better jobs,” said Kyle Bishop, 23, a 2009 graduate of the University of Pittsburgh who has spent the last two years waiting tables, delivering beer, working at a bookstore and entering data. “It’s more about luck than anything else.”

The median starting salary for students graduating from four-year colleges in 2009 and 2010 was $27,000, down from $30,000 for those who entered the work force in 2006 to 2008, according to a study released on Wednesday by the John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University. That is a decline of 10 percent, even before taking inflation into account.

Of course, these are the lucky ones — the graduates who found a job. Among the members of the class of 2010, just 56 percent had held at least one job by this spring, when the survey was conducted. That compares with 90 percent of graduates from the classes of 2006 and 2007. (Some have gone for further education or opted out of the labor force, while many are still pounding the pavement.)

nytimes.com/2011/05/19/business/economy/19grads.html

When 44% of college graduates can’t find a job this country has a HUGE problem and a president that has no grasp on reality or money or the value of work that encourages young people to incur massive amounts of debt while offering no opportunity should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Education used to pay until Obama became president.

Source?

When 44% of college graduates can’t find a job this country has a HUGE problem and a president that has no grasp on reality or money or the value of work that encourages young people to incur massive amounts of debt while offering no opportunity should be ashamed of himself.

If McCain had won in '08, or if the GOP candidate wins in '12 (hah!) a large percentage of college graduates still would have had and will have great difficulty finding jobs. I know lawyers who are driving taxicabs today because of the glut in the profession, and college graduates are moving back in with their parents because they can’t find work. Can’t blame it all on Obama. Was it a golden era when Bush II was president?

 

[SamH]

Source?
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Can you read the posted article from the New York Times?

If McCain had won in '08, or if the GOP candidate wins in '12 (hah!) a large percentage of college graduates still would have had and will have great difficulty finding jobs. I know lawyers who are driving taxicabs today because of the glut in the profession, and college graduates are moving back in with their parents because they can’t find work. Can’t blame it all on Obama. Was it a golden era when Bush II was president?

Wages were higher and college gaduates had 90% placement. If you were a college graduate in 2011 I’m sure the Bush years do look like the “Golden Years”.