Poll: Women boost Obama over Romney in swing states

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CMatt25 said:
Oh Ishii. There ya go again. But as President Obama has and I imagine Vice President Biden has explained, what Republicans like to call “class envy” is really a sense of fairness and justice. Not envy.
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What % of the total income should we take from the top 5% of income earners to be “fair”, in your view?
 
Lujack said:
I think that this “resentment of people who are successful” nonsense that Republicans like to throw out shows an odd definition of success.

I don’t want to be like Mitt Romney; I’m not jealous of him. I mean, I’d like to have as much money as he does, but I want to be a high school football coach. My best friend wants to be a park ranger. Another close friend of mine wants to be an archivist. If I last ten years as a high school football coach and raise good kids, that’s successful and I won’t envy a Mitt Romney a single one of his moneybags.

**Why does the Republican Party have this implicit “He who dies with the most cash wins” attitude? ** My father has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…my own high school coach has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…my parish priest has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…and they are all just as successful.
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🤷 Can you site a source for this insinuation, or is it just opinion?
 
Lujack said:
Its an implicit attitude-“Why are you jealous of the more successful?” Mitt Romney has more money; that doesn’t make him more successful.
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Mitt Romney has a very stable family with little to no moral skeletons in his closet after 4+ years of intense media scrutiny. I consider that successful. 🤷
 
qui_est_ce said:
Are you saying that parents shouldn’t want to leave money to their kids? I have no problem with inherited money.
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No, my point was that not all those with money were “successful.” Numbers of the rich, as was noted by a few posters, got theirs through inheritance, not through any effort of their own.

Certainly parents can leave money to their children, even those with very little.

You might find it interesting that Amadeo Giannini, the man who created the largest banking institution in America, Bank of America, decided to die poor. He gave all his money away to charity before he died. 👍
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
That’s bad? :confused:

BTW, the rich aren’t always those who were successful - there’s a good deal of old money, inherited wealth, etc. out there. Not every millionaire got his via a Horatio Alger story.
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That’s true, but I heard a survey a day or two ago that stated that more than 80% of those classified as very wealthy earned their own money. That seems a tad more than those who inherited it.
 
mary_bobo said:
That’s true, but I heard a survey a day or two ago that stated that more than 80% of those classified as very wealthy earned their own money. That seems a tad more than those who inherited it.
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Have you a link to that survey? As the survey apparently gave specific numbers, I’d like to see how they came to their conclusions.
 
Pork_Roll said:
I don’t want money-bags, I want a good leader who has policies that I agree with. Romney supported Obama and Congress taking away our bill of rights with the NDAA 2012. He’s almost as bad as Obama.
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Here Here! (or hear hear, whichever!) 😃
 
mary_bobo said:
That’s true, but I heard a survey a day or two ago that stated that more than 80% of those classified as very wealthy earned their own money. That seems a tad more than those who inherited it.
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The “wealthy” class is in constant rotation. The old saying of one generation making the wealth, the second generation spending it and the third being left broke is actually fairly accurate. Very few members of the “wealthy” have been wealthy for more than one generation. The biggest exception to this - families that base their wealth on being members of congress. For some reason they manage to generate true generational wealth that goes on and on.
 
ishii said:
Yes, I understand your spin on Democrat politics of fear and envy. Obama doesn’t have anything to run on other than fear. If they go the fear/smear route I think he’ll lose. Voters would like to know who is going to turn around the economy so that more people have jobs. The Democrats offer more welfare and handouts. I think Romney will do a good job showing how he can help turn the economy around - unlike Obama, he knows how an economy works.
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Don’t you know that some posters on here, like CMatt25, like to hold one section of selected Bible verses higher than all other Bible verses and would like to ignore more than 2000 years of [Tt]radition and scholarship?

I find this type of thinking problematic.

Simply giving out more no strings attached welfare from the government is not charity nor does it help the poor in the long term.
 
Lujack said:
Why does the Republican Party have this implicit “He who dies with the most cash wins” attitude? My father has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…my own high school coach has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…my parish priest has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…and they are all just as successful.
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Do you have any proof of this assertion?

Simply giving people the free will to do with as they choose with their money doesn’t imply “He who dies with the most cash wins” attitude. Correlation does not imply causation.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
Do you have any proof of this assertion?

Simply giving people the free will to do with as they choose with their money doesn’t imply “He who dies with the most cash wins” attitude. Correlation does not imply causation.
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“Why are you jealous of the more successful?” is the epitome of that attitude.
 
ishii said:
Yes, I can see that the Obama campaign seems to have settled on a strategy: accuse the GOP of “war on women” and racism against minorities, and exploit class envy (Biden is already portraying Romney as “out of touch with the middle class”). Quite a divisive, shameful strategy which may or may not work. I truly have to wonder how anyone could support such a blatently cynical campaign.

Ishii
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You left out senior citizens. If any group will tip the general election in favor of Obama, I believe they will. Many are scared to death of the GOP push toward privatization of health care.
 
Lujack said:
I think that this “resentment of people who are successful” nonsense that Republicans like to throw out shows an odd definition of success.

I don’t want to be like Mitt Romney; I’m not jealous of him. I mean, I’d like to have as much money as he does, but I want to be a high school football coach. My best friend wants to be a park ranger. Another close friend of mine wants to be an archivist. If I last ten years as a high school football coach and raise good kids, that’s successful and I won’t envy a Mitt Romney a single one of his moneybags.

Why does the Republican Party have this implicit “He who dies with the most cash wins” attitude? My father has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…my own high school coach has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…my parish priest has vastly less money than Mitt Romney…and they are all just as successful.
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Republican party members have no such attitude as a whole, there may be individuals who are Republicans with that attitude, just as I am sure there are Democrats with that attitude and people with that attitude who are neither Republican or Democrat. You shouldn’t stereotype a whole political party.

I admire Mitt Romney, not because he is wealthy, but because he could of had a leisurely life, not worked, not gone to college, and lived on the money he inherited from his father. Instead, he gave the money he inherited to Brigham Young University, went to college and became successful on his own.
 
meltzerboy said:
You left out senior citizens. If any group will tip the general election in favor of Obama, I believe they will. Many are scared to death of the GOP push toward privatization of health care.
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Senior citizens are not going to like the panels in ObamaCare, they are not going to like the fact that Obama cut $500 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare.

Left ObamaCare supporter Kaiser Family Foundation pollster found senior citizens by a 27 percent margin have an unfavorable rather than favorable view of ObamaCare.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Senior citizens are not going to like the panels in ObamaCare, they are not going to like the fact that Obama cut $500 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare.

Left ObamaCare supporter Kaiser Family Foundation pollster found senior citizens by a 27 percent margin have an unfavorable rather than favorable view of ObamaCare.
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What has ObamaCare currently done for seniors? Nothing really, it only has helped the uninsured and young adults. What will ObamaCare do in the future for seniors? Not very much considering that seniors will likely be on medicaid, an already existing form of socialized medicine. I can see why seniors wouldn’t care for a new form of socialized care over their old form of socialized care.

Whether or not these new changes will place less or more of a burden on healthcare and costs is debatable. I suspect most seniors probably don’t want to take the risk to see if these new policies will pan out.
 
meltzerboy said:
You left out senior citizens. If any group will tip the general election in favor of Obama, I believe they will. Many are scared to death of the GOP push toward privatization of health care.
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While they should be scared to death of the $500 billion Obama is going to cut from Medicare and hand out to others on Obamacare.
 
slate said:
What has ObamaCare currently done for seniors? Nothing really, it only has helped the uninsured and young adults. What will ObamaCare do in the future for seniors? Not very much considering that seniors will likely be on medicaid, an already existing form of socialized medicine. I can see why seniors wouldn’t care for a new form of socialized care over their old form of socialized care.

Whether or not these new changes will place less or more of a burden on healthcare and costs is debatable. I suspect most seniors probably don’t want to take the risk to see if these new policies will pan out.
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The only problem is doctors are becoming reluctant to accept Medicare coverage and are much more reluctant to accept Medicaid coverage. What good will all this socialized “Health Care Coverge” be if no doctor will see you?

What makes it worse is that people with Medicaid coverage can’t find doctors that will accept their coverage and are many times times denied treatment at “free” clinics because they have health care coverage.
 
SamH said:
The only problem is doctors are becoming reluctant to accept Medicare coverage and are much more reluctant to accept Medicaid coverage. What good will all this socialized “Health Care Coverge” be if no doctor will see you?

What makes it worse is that people with Medicaid coverage can’t find doctors that will accept their coverage and are many times times denied treatment at “free” clinics because they have health care coverage.
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Here is a non-governmental solution to the problem

patchadams.org/mission
 
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