Polling Data: Catholics Strongly Pro-Life on Abortion Despite Gallup Analysis

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Polling Data: Catholics Strongly Pro-Life on Abortion Despite Gallup Analysis

Washington, DC – The Gallup polling organization released a report yesterday that appears to downplay the pro-life teachings of the Catholic Church. The report, which has been bandied about the Internet over the last two days, says Catholics are no more pro-life on abortion than Americans as a whole.

However, other polling data makes it clear Catholics strongly oppose abortion.

More at LifeNews.com/nat4951.html

 

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Polling Data: Catholics Strongly Pro-Life on Abortion Despite Gallup Analysis

Washington, DC – The Gallup polling organization released a report yesterday that appears to downplay the pro-life teachings of the Catholic Church. The report, which has been bandied about the Internet over the last two days, says Catholics are no more pro-life on abortion than Americans as a whole.

However, other polling data makes it clear Catholics strongly oppose abortion.

More at LifeNews.com/nat4951.html

Figures can’t lie but ,liars can figure…People can word the questions so they get the anwers they want…I don’t trust polls and I place my salvation in doing God’s will, not what is popular

 

[Biggie]

Many, for example, will begin with a false predicate that abortion is legal only within the first trimester, or ask if the respondent favors Rowe which legalized abortion during the first trimester (false by omission) and then obtain responses.

Which will describe the method of a late term D&X and then ask respondents if they favor it?

 

[Soutane]

Figures can’t lie but ,liars can figure…People can word the questions so they get the anwers they want…I don’t trust polls and I place my salvation in doing God’s will, not what is popular

Bingo

 

[Prof_K]

This an excellent article. Thanks for posting it. What I find fascinating is that in polling data the results often vary dramatically depending on how you define Catholic. If you ask people to identify their denomination, people who were raised Catholic but no longer practice their faith, will identify themselves as Catholic. Whereas, Lutherans and Baptists who were raised in those churches but no longer practice, will not identify themselves as belonging to those churches. (This has much to do with Church teaching.) However, it affects polls in that while the largest denomination in Catholic, non-practicing Catholics is probably the second largest groups. In many polls those two groups get counted together. Such polls water down the relationship between Catholicism and support of Catholic values. Conversely, polls conduct which define Catholics as those who have attended a Catholic church on a regular or frequent basis often show a closer correlation between Catholics and opposition to abortion.

At the same time, we have so many Catholic schools and colleges teaching non-Catholic values that the problem of Catholics ignoring Church teaching is a significant problem.

Sorry for the meandering thoughts.
Prof. K

 

[Biggie]

But right to the point. Catholicism is, well, an ethnicity. This forum during the last election gave me many occasions to question who, exactly, is Catholic. In another life, I was placing handcuffs on a young gentleman who exclaimed, “You can’t arrest me. I’m Catholic.” Sad to say, I kind of knew what he meant, if you know what I mean.

 

[Mark77]

Polls are useless!

They only tell us that we are unable to think on our own without the approval of the mass media and their biased questions, designed to reinforce the answers that support their sick agenda.

Rather than waiting to see what others think, or what is popular with the crowd, we should know, explain and defend the Truth, no matter what the cost to us personally!

Paraphrasing Archbishop Sheen, “The Truth is always the Truth, even if no one believes it. Error is always error, even if everyone believes it.”

If everybody in your community was a racist and believed in slavery being legal (as it once was here in the US, upheld by the same Supreme Court that today says abortion is legal!), would you agree with everyone else or stand up for the rights innocent slaves in cruel, inhumane, forced captivity?

If everybody in your community was a Nazi and believed in murdering Jews and performing horrible “medical experiments” that resulted in the gruesome deaths of innocent human beings for the “greater good or to find a cure”…(like embryonic stem cell research murders innocent babies created and frozen in a laboratory for the use and profit of others), would you agree with everyone else or stand up for the innocent people who are being murdered in our own neighborhoods, “legally”?

The modern “Death Camp Ovens” are right here in our own towns. We drive right by them every day, doing little or nothing to stop the Holocaust that has murdered 50+ million innocent babies in the US since Roe v. Wade in 1972.

We are not rounded up by Nazi SS troops and shot if we try to stop these murders.

We are more guilty than those who came before us because we know the Truth, but we are weak, lazy and immoral. We continue to do little or nothing to stop the horrible massacres of innocent babies by their own fathers and mothers, that happen every day right under our noses!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark

 

[piperspop]

This an excellent article. Thanks for posting it. What I find fascinating is that in polling data the results often vary dramatically depending on how you define Catholic. If you ask people to identify their denomination, people who were raised Catholic but no longer practice their faith, will identify themselves as Catholic. Whereas, Lutherans and Baptists who were raised in those churches but no longer practice, will not identify themselves as belonging to those churches. (This has much to do with Church teaching.) However, it affects polls in that while the largest denomination in Catholic, non-practicing Catholics is probably the second largest groups. In many polls those two groups get counted together. Such polls water down the relationship between Catholicism and support of Catholic values. Conversely, polls conduct which define Catholics as those who have attended a Catholic church on a regular or frequent basis often show a closer correlation between Catholics and opposition to abortion.

At the same time, we have so many Catholic schools and colleges teaching non-Catholic values that the problem of Catholics ignoring Church teaching is a significant problem.

Sorry for the meandering thoughts.
Prof. K

I absolutely agree, especially with the lumping together of practicing catholics and catholics in name only.

But here is the problem… The Roman Catholic Church counts anyone baptised in the church as a Roman Catholic unless they have formally written to unenroll. This is a two edged sword, it boosts their membership way out of proportion to what is real (people who actually attend church regularly, or Average Sunday Attendance), and the church likes that, thats how they get 1.1 billion members. But they don’t want those folks counted as catholics when issues and opinions are discussed, because they do not tend to follow the church teachings.

It is a puzzlement…

 

[Biggie]

I absolutely agree, especially with the lumping together of practicing catholics and catholics in name only.

But here is the problem… The Roman Catholic Church counts anyone baptised in the church as a Roman Catholic unless they have formally written to unenroll. This is a two edged sword, it boosts their membership way out of proportion to what is real (people who actually attend church regularly, or Average Sunday Attendance), and the church likes that, thats how they get 1.1 billion members. But they don’t want those folks counted as catholics when issues and opinions are discussed, because they do not tend to follow the church teachings.

It is a puzzlement…

I, for one, am puzzling over exactly who “they” are. I understand your point, but dispute it. The Catholic Church counts souls, not heads.

 

[piperspop]

I, for one, am puzzling over exactly who “they” are. I understand your point, but dispute it. The Catholic Church counts souls, not heads.

OK how do they count them?

The church claims 1.1 billion souls, where does that number come from?

 

[Biggie]

OK how do they count them?

The church claims 1.1 billion souls, where does that number come from?

I’m still stuck on “they”. My parish knows where I am since I attend and the diocese knows where I am from the parish and I guess in a grain of sand sort of way the Vatican knows where I am from the diocese.

Now on the other hand the US Census has ample information on religious demographics and I don’t think they’re consulting the Church for their data.

So I am disputing with you your implication that the Church in some way gerrymanders the numbers conspiratorially for some type of fictional gain of which you seem to be aware but of which I certainly am not.

On the other hand I am agreeing with you that too many people report themselves as Catholic who haven’t the single idea of engaging in a Catholic practice and that some self reported Catholics and others treat Catholicism as though it were an ethnicity instead of a religion.

So let’s agree to disagree and agree.

 

[miguel]

…The Roman Catholic Church counts anyone baptised in the church as a Roman Catholic unless they have formally written to unenroll…

To be clear, according to the Church, Baptism is permanent. A person can’t unenroll from Baptism. But it is always possible for a Baptized person, through free will, to deny Christ. In the early Christian centuries, in the face of vicious persecution, many did deny Christ to avoid being killed. And many did later want to be reconciled with Church. A dispute arose that those who denied Christ and later wanted to be reconciled would have to be re-baptized. The Church ruled that re-baptism wasn’t required. It’s the main reason the Nicene Creed said at Mass contains the phrase: “We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.”