Polygamy Moving To Europe

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Today, there are no longer harems or eunuchs, but polygamy is still very much alive. It exists in a vast majority of Islamic countries, where it is permitted by law. And in the 20th century, it reached European and American shores with the massive wave of immigration from Islamic countries. Interestingly, Europe, while welcoming the reform of the Family Law in Morocco that made polygamy almost impossible, and pressuring Turkey to put an end to the practice (the country’s ban on polygamy is commonly overridden), is at the same time turning a blind eye to the existence of the practice within its own borders.

Like many Muslim men, Muhammad, an immigrant from Pakistan, first came to Norway alone. After building a career, he found a wife, a Norway citizen, and obtained citizenship himself. Soon enough, his astonished new bride learned that Muhammad was in the process of bringing his first wife to Norway, along with their nine children, all of whom were considered Norwegian citizens by law.

Immigrants from Mali, Egypt, Mauritania, Pakistan and other countries who come to live in Europe often bring along their extended families, which may contain two, three and even four wives, and all of their offspring.

There are no official statistics, but some sources claim there are up to 10,000 polygamist families in France. The average size of such a family is up to 15 people, which means that about half a million French are living in polygamous families. There are also hundreds of polygamous families in England, Germany and Norway.

The law in all of these countries forbids the practice of polygamy, but local authorities are in a bind, faced with issues of freedom of religion. And aside from the social and cultural problems of polygamous families, there are legal questions surrounding issues of inheritance, taxation and property registration.

Jacques Kossowki, the conservative mayor of Courbevoie in France and an MP, believes that the choice is quite simple.

“It’s a disaster. We don’t even have housing big enough for these people. We have to accept polygamy exists in other countries, but it is not recognized by French law, so I don’t see why we should accept it.” But British legislators have chosen to adopt a more liberal approach, and have already begun amending existing laws in an effort to accommodate the needs of the local Muslim population. “The Inland Revenue is considering recognizing polygamy for some religious groups for tax purposes. Officials have agreed to examine family friendly–representations from Muslims who take up to four wives under Sharia, the laws derived from the Koran,” The Sunday Times reported last year.

The next day, the article was quoted in the Saudi Ash-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper under the headline, “Britain inclined to accept polygamy where issues of inheritance and taxes are involved.” …"

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I personally know 4 women, who were my grad students at one time, who married Muslim men from Iraq, Iran and Egypt, and later found out they either already had wives at home, or sent home for the bride their family had arranged and brought them to this country. All 4 women got divorces or civil annulments, but not after a lot of heartache, including children to support that were now rejected by their fathers. I also know two women who married Chinese men, and one who married a Hindu from India who went through the same scenario. I would and have counselled any young woman who asked my advice about marrying a foreigner in this country on any type of temporary visa to run don’t walk away from the relationship.

If these countries, like Norway, allow these families to live in ways contrary to the civil law, they will reap what they have sown, given that their civil law has destroyed the very basis for the family in legalizing birth control, abortion, divorce, homosexual activity and gay unions.
 
This is all a natural progression of the degradation of marriage. First comes gay marriage, then comes polygamy, then comes incestuous marriages.

Who are we to without marriage from any consenting adults?

(Just in case it’s not obvious, I’m being sarcastic)
 
I agree and disagree with the observations. I have a couple.

The patriarchs in the Old Testament did not limit themselves to one wife, in fact in the Old Testament plural marriage was the rule. There is no mention of monogamy being required. In fact, there are even instances where a slave girl was given by the wife to a husband to have an heir and incest is apparently approved of to obtain an heir.

Plural marriage is still common in many parts of the world especially in the East and Africa. As one observer pointed out, some naive American girls have found they are one of several wives after the ceremony is over.

One way to make peace with another group or faction is to marry a woman from the group. Remember all those wives Solomon had? They reason he had all those wives was for political advantage with those who could harm him otherwise.

All this works very well, particularly for nomadic people for whom wives, children, sheep, cattle and goats are counted as wealth.

However, in Europe, people went from a nomadic to a agricultural existence and the ownership of land became the source of wealth. Since there wasn’t much of it, the law was very concerned with the problem of who got the land when the owner died. Strict monogamy served the purpose of keeping the bloodline distinct. Thus, we have become accustomed to thinking a person should have only one spouse. This has also been enshrined in law.

Given the influx of immigrants from lands where plural marriage is common that too may change. Given the availability of DNA testing and good recordkeeping it is easier now to determine who the father of a child is.

The practical problem I see, for men at least, would be trying to live with more than one woman! I have read that a Chinese pictograph for trouble is a house with two women living in it.
 
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OriginalJS:
However, in Europe, people went from a nomadic to a agricultural existence and the ownership of land became the source of wealth. Since there wasn’t much of it, the law was very concerned with the problem of who got the land when the owner died. Strict monogamy served the purpose of keeping the bloodline distinct./QUOTE]

This is not about marriage. It is about a landgrab. As has been pointed out, the multiple wives and enormous families is a means to grab land. First it will be with all the legal means we have kindly provided for people to grab our land. Then it will be with violence. We will end up being blown right off our land, our deeds smoking uselessly in our hands and a look of surprise on our faces before we meet our Maker.
 
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qmvsimp:
This is all a natural progression of the degradation of marriage. First comes gay marriage, then comes polygamy, then comes incestuous marriages.

Who are we to without marriage from any consenting adults?

(Just in case it’s not obvious, I’m being sarcastic)
I think you have the progression wrong. First divorce and remarriage (in effect, serial polygamy), cohabitation bfore marriage (or without marriage), polygamy in fact – having long-term affairs “on the side” while remaining married; only after all this has become so common as to be unexceptionable and even accepted has marriage become so cheapened and weakened that gay marriage is almost inevitable.
 
I’m much more worried about the lowering of age of consent laws, there are seriously a group of people and academics trying to normalize pedophilia. And it’s taking the exact same route homosexuals did to get themselves legitimized.
 
OriginalJS, regarding OT polygamy, it is true that most OT patriarchs had multiple wives, but this practice is written of as tolerated by God, not encouraged or mandated. Basically, the surrounding cultures of the time were all polygamous and God allowed the Hebrews to live similarly while trying to bring them along spiritually to understand Him as the relationship between God and Man progressed.

Polygamy in general is not good for women, children, men or all of society. It leads to much abuse. I would be very concerned about Western countries allowing pre-existing polygamists’ marriages to be recognized. Once these marriages are recognized, what is to stop a regular native citizen of Britain or France from suing to have the same rights as the foreign-born? And if one tolerates a man having a very young wife brought over from another country, what is the logic behind denying native citizens the same right?

Likewise, if one tolerates a foreign-born man with a minor wife, what is to stop homosexuals from suing for the same right? Logically, should they not be allowed to have a same-sex marriage partner of similar age? Will we see 40-year-old men taking 12-year-old boys as spouses? Or will that finally be enough to shock people into their senses and take a stand against evil? Let’s hope so and long before that.

If the Europeans do not stand up for (God help us–I can’t believe I’m writing this) monogomous marriage and age-of-consent laws, it is indeed just as many have predicted from the beginning of the sexual revolution. The slippery slope from decriminalizing birth control, adultery, sodomy, etc. has led eventually to the decriminalizing of even less acceptable behaviors.
 
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OriginalJS:
The practical problem I see, for men at least, would be trying to live with more than one woman! I have read that a Chinese pictograph for trouble is a house with two women living in it.
:rotfl:
 
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