Poor marketing of NFP

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maryjk said:
But we also have to be honest and tell people that for many it is only a few days a month that they need to abstain. Generally for me it is less than a week.
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Are you sure you’re doing it right? :confused: 5 days leading up to ovulation (because sperm can live that long) plus 2 days afterwards (because the egg can live for up to 48 hours) would equal one week. And that’s assuming you can p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact moment of ovulation, so I don’t know how you can abstain for less than one week when one week is kind of the minimum. 2-3 weeks of abstinance per cycle is the average for most women.

What method do you use?
 
Charlotte1776 said:
Are you sure you’re doing it right? :confused: 5 days leading up to ovulation (because sperm can live that long) plus 2 days afterwards (because the egg can live for up to 48 hours) would equal one week. And that’s assuming you can p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact moment of ovulation, so I don’t know how you can abstain for less than one week when one week is kind of the minimum. 2-3 weeks of abstinance per cycle is the average for most women.

What method do you use?
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She’s getting married in two weeks…
 
Charlotte1776 said:
And using it “correctly and consistently” requires weeks of abstinence, with three weeks a month being common. The one week out of four they advertise just isn’t true for most women, because more than half have cycles that fall outside what is considered normal in order to use NFP.

NFP is a difficult sacrifice done out of love obedience to God. We need to stop advertising it like it’s “Catholic birth control” because it’s not. The purpose of NFP is completely different than ABC, and plotting ways to make ABC users think it’s just as easy and effective so they will switch over to it isn’t right.
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Are you sure you are doing it right?
Charlotte1776 said:
Are you sure you’re doing it right? :confused: 5 days leading up to ovulation (because sperm can live that long) plus 2 days afterwards (because the egg can live for up to 48 hours) would equal one week. And that’s assuming you can p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact moment of ovulation, so I don’t know how you can abstain for less than one week when one week is kind of the minimum. 2-3 weeks of abstinance per cycle is the average for most women.

What method do you use?
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STM
I don’t know anyone that abstains for 3 weeks out of four.

Generally, for me, it is 5 to 6 days that I HAVE to abstain. I HAVE to abstain when I notice mucus until the second day after my temp goes up. An egg lives for 12 to 24 hours. If I counted it out, it is generally 5 to 6 days. 🤷

Most woman abstain until the third day after ovulation because they may ovulate twice, once from each ovary. But since I only have one, my body won’t ovulate twice.
 
maryjk said:
Are you sure you are doing it right?
STM
I don’t know anyone that abstains for 3 weeks out of four.
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You do if you only have sex in phase 3, which is the only safe way to do it (have a kid in phase 1 and everyone will say it’s all your fault, not an NFP failure, because if you really didn’t want a kid you would have practice NFP conservatiely, i.e., only in phase 3!)

The 2-3 week figure comes from CCL and the research papers I’ve read while trying to determine NFP’s effectiveness. I’m glad you only have to abstain 5 days a month, but that’s less than normal. Even pro-NFP literature always says at least one week.
 
@charlotte #37 & 43

Unless you have a specific criticism of the methodology, or a reason why the cohort was not statistically significant, I suggest that you cannot speculate that a published study was flawed and misleading. 900 women is 900 women, and over 17 thousand cycles were analyzed. How big a number do you want, and why would that number be significant and the existing one not be?

It also included cycles of 22 to 35 day duration, and I think it allowed for variations of up 20% off of that, so it also seems to me that to say it requires a “normal” cycle, whatever that is, does not appear to be true from what I can see. STM relies on obervations of each individual cycle.
 
You’re right. I shouldn’t have said anything. I am new here so that’s part of the problem; I didn’t know my place. God bless and sorry!
 
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