Pope’s cardinals to ‘rip up and rewrite’ Vatican constitution

[gracepoole]

A Roman Catholic cardinal said Sunday that a group of senior church figures handpicked by the Pope to shake up the Vatican’s murky and autocratic bureaucracy would “rip up and rewrite” the constitution which apportions power at the Holy See.

The eight cardinals, who were appointed by Pope Francis in April, have been briefed to revise the constitution, known as Pastor Bonus, drawn up in 1988 by Pope John Paul, in a bid to give greater voice to bishops around the world.

Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, the group’s leader, said that at tomorrow’s meeting they were planning to go much further than just changing “this and that”.

“No, that constitution is over,” he said in a television interview. “Now it is something different. We need to write something different,” he added.

theprovince.com/news/Pope+cardinals+rewrite+Vatican+constitution/8974934/story.html

 

[NeedsMercy]

I worked for the Department of Defense for 17 years, but I think the Vatican can probably out-bureaucratize the Pentagon.

 

[enbell]

:tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:

I worked for the Department of Defense for 17 years, but I think the Vatican can probably out-bureaucratize the Pentagon.

Love it :tiphat:

 

[janeway529]

The original interview sources, from interviews with Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga, conducted by Salt and Light Media:

youtube.com/watch?v=tdUPwoudmis
youtube.com/watch?v=qOoRp7meNPk

 

[Pilgrim1701]

Well, I didn’t see any clear examples of the kind of changes they would like to implement, so it would probably be more prudent to wait and see what, if any changes they come up with.
Some people get elected to political office on a platform of ‘change’, and you find when they are in change is slow to come, if at all.

 

[Lapey]

I worked for the Department of Defense for 17 years, but I think the Vatican can probably out-bureaucratize the Pentagon.

When we were in formation and in canon law class the Professor, a priest who is a canon lawyer, said that the Church works in centuries…I believe this statement!

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

Well, I didn’t see any clear examples of the kind of changes they would like to implement, so it would probably be more prudent to wait and see what, if any changes they come up with.
Some people get elected to political office on a platform of ‘change’, and you find when they are in change is slow to come, if at all.

Papa Francis doesn’t seem like an “if any” kind of Pope, though.

 

[dans0622]

The last time this document was updated, it took at least 5 years of drafts, revisions, consulations, revisions, commentary, revisions (you get the idea) and it involved a lot more people than just eight Cardinals (see vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_19880628_pastor-bonus-introduction_en.html, art. 6). So, while I don’t doubt that *Pastor bonus *is going to be rewritten, I wouldn’t think that it’s going to be just these eight Cardinals who do it and I certainly wouldn’t expect a rapid change. It just can’t work that way if there is going to be broad consulation of bishops throughout the world.

Dan

 

[M-Dent]

Well, I didn’t see any clear examples of the kind of changes they would like to implement.

I agree nothing in stone.

Though, it is interesting what the Pope shared with everyone,

“We must, however, give them a less rigid form. I do not want token consultations, but real consultations. The consultation group of eight cardinals, this ‘outsider’ advisory group, is not only my decision, but it is the result of the will of the cardinals, as it was expressed in the general congregations before the conclave. And I want to see that this is a real, not ceremonial consultation.”

The consistories of cardinals and the synods of bishops are the places mainly used for consultation to aid the Petrine ministry. Not sure how that will become less rigid? And what that even means?

Hmm,

Ok which pizzeria, Li Rioni’s or Da Remo’s?

http://d2jkk5z9de9jwi.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Antonio_spadaro_2510300b.jpg

 

[kozlosap]

Papa Francis doesn’t seem like an “if any” kind of Pope, though.

 

[livingwordunity]

When we were in formation and in canon law class the Professor, a priest who is a canon lawyer, said that the Church works in centuries…I believe this statement!

The Church works slowly because fools rush in where wise men fear to tread. As for this thread, I’ll believe it when I hear it directly from the Pope.

 

[LongingSoul]

This just occurred to me. Wouldn’t it be amazing if after all these years hearing dire ‘prophecies’ about this being the last Pope and the end of the Church in Rome… they really just foresaw the end of an old making way for a new and better way of Catholic heirarchy!

 

[McCall1981]

This just occurred to me. Wouldn’t it be amazing if after all these years hearing dire ‘prophecies’ about this being the last Pope and the end of the Church in Rome… they really just foresaw the end of an old making way for a new and better way of Catholic heirarchy!

I don’t think dire propehcies are usually refering to streamlining administrative procedures, they usually seem to aim a little higher than beaurocracy.

 

[McCall1981]

The Church works slowly because fools rush in where wise men fear to tread. As for this thread, I’ll believe it when I hear it directly from the Pope.

This is true, but they are referring to streamlining administrative policies that were written in the late 1980’s, not long standing Church traditions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastor_Bonus

 

[ProVobis]

The Church works slowly because fools rush in where wise men fear to tread. As for this thread, I’ll believe it when I hear it directly from the Pope.

Directly would probably be in Italian.

 

[livingwordunity]

The Church works slowly because fools rush in where wise men fear to tread. As for this thread, I’ll believe it when I hear it directly from the Pope.

Directly would probably be in Italian.

I can use Google translate.

 

[M-Dent]

Pope establishes advisory panel as permanent Council of Cardinals

By Francis X. Rocca
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – Pope Francis made his international advisory panel on church governance a permanent council of cardinals, thereby emphasizing the importance and open-endedness of its work among his pontificate’s various efforts at reform.

The Vatican made the announcement Sept. 30, a day before Pope Francis was scheduled to meet for the first time with the panel, which has been informally dubbed the “Group of Eight” or “G-8.”

The new Council of Cardinals will have the “task of assisting me in the governance of the universal church and drawing up a project for the revision of the apostolic constitution ‘Pastor Bonus’ on the Roman Curia,” Pope Francis wrote in his decree, dated Sept. 28.

“Pastor Bonus,” published in 1988, was the last major set of changes in the Roman Curia, the church’s central administration at the Vatican.

Corruption and mismanagement in the Vatican bureaucracy, sensationally documented in the 2012 “VatiLeaks” of confidential correspondence, were a major topic of discussion among members of the College of Cardinals during meetings prior to the papal election in March.

As he has said several times since the advisory panel was announced last April, Pope Francis noted in his decree that the council was a response to suggestions by his fellow cardinals at the pre-conclave meetings.

The council’s field of potential concern extends far beyond Vatican reform, and Pope Francis has said that its deliberations will include the question of the eligibility of divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304111.htm

 

[ProVobis]

I can use Google translate.

If it’s anything like the tweets coming out in different languages I wouldn’t trust any translation. Just sayin.

 

[JReducation]

If it’s anything like the tweets coming out in different languages I wouldn’t trust any translation. Just sayin.

Most softwares don’t do a good job at translating, because people don’t speak like textbooks. We use words to mean different things, other than what Webster says they mean.

From what I understand, even the military, FBI, INTERPOL and CIA verify all translations with a human interpreter. It’s one thing to translate and it’s another to convey meaning. This I know from personal experience, because I grew up in a multilingual home. We spoke three languages at home. Later I had to learn two more. You can’t just translate, you have to preserve the nuance. Sometimes this requires that you replace words rather than use direct translation. A simple example is found in John’s Gospel. LOGOS. A Christian knows what The Word is, because we’ve been taught. But that’s not the way the term is usually used. If you put it into a translator, John’s sentence makes no sense.

When you use software, you have to remember that software is not human. The translation is going to be imperfect.

 

[ProVobis]

To be fair the Google translator does offer this disclaimer:

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How does it work?
When Google Translate generates a translation, it looks for patterns in hundreds of millions of documents to help decide on the best translation for you. By detecting patterns in documents that have already been translated by human translators, Google Translate can make intelligent guesses as to what an appropriate translation should be. This process of seeking patterns in large amounts of text is called “statistical machine translation”. Since the translations are generated by machines, not all translation will be perfect. The more human-translated documents that Google Translate can analyse in a specific language, the better the translation quality will be. This is why translation accuracy will sometimes vary across languages.

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I guess the point is that one should take the Google Translation as accurate and final.