Pope: A Christian never closes the door to anyone, those who exclude, generate conflicts and will answer to God [AN]

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“There are two paths in life: the path exclusion of persons from our community and the path of inclusion. The first can be little but is the root of all wars: all calamities, all wars, begin with an exclusion. One is excluded from the international community, but also from families, from friends – How many fights there are! – and the path that makes us see Jesus and teaches us Jesus is quite another, it is contrary to the other: to include”.

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Pope Francis:
Christ, in fact, “with His sacrifice on Calvary” unites and includes “all men in salvation.”
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Saint Paul:
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling
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MtnDwellar said:
Pope Francis:

Saint Paul:

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I was wondering when someone would pick this out. 🙂 As soon as I read it I thought 👍 Pope Francis. The problem with all the high falootin theological talk about salvation, people seem to get the impression that God sends people to hell or to purgatory depending on their sin when in fact he made us all for heaven and its our own free choice to depart to warmer climes. I thought it was simple but brilliant that short sentence in the sea of other information.
 
Pope Francis: “There are two paths in life: the path exclusion of persons from our community and the path of inclusion.”

Okay, question #1: What is the community he is talking about? Where is it? It’s not at my parish. Is it in Argentina? I think there’s one path in life: raise your kids as best you can because nobody else cares one bit. Be willing to drive 90 minutes to get them to an orthodox Mass. I think perhaps the social situation where the Pope lives is quite different from most of the USA.
 
LongingSoul said:
people seem to get the impression that God sends people to hell or to purgatory depending on their sin when in fact he made us all for heaven and its our own free choice to depart to warmer climes.
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It is our free choice to commit mortal sin and the result (if repented) is eternal damnation.
He respects our choice. But we can not claim to love Him if we persist in choosing mortal sin.
1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”
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1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.”
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1059 “The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ’s tribunal to render an account of their own deeds” (Council of Lyons II [1274]:DS 859; cf. DS 1549).
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I_trust said:
It is our free choice to commit mortal sin and the result (if repented) is eternal damnation.
He respects our choice. But we can not claim to love Him if we persist in choosing mortal sin.
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Are you answering to my post or someone elses?
 
LongingSoul said:
Are you answering to my post or someone elses?
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Hey LongingSoul,
I was answering your post.
I was just trying to flesh out your comment I quoted.
I needed clarification as to what your post was contending…

1.God does not send people to hell…they freely choose separation from God though their sins. He does not want anyone to choose to sin mortally, but He respects our choice, and if unrepented, the mortal sin will result in hell.
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2. God does not send people to hell, they freely choose eternal damnation. Our sins will not determine our eternal state (even mortal ones), only a conscious choice to separate ourselves forever from God.
 
Paganus said:
Pope Francis: “There are two paths in life: the path exclusion of persons from our community and the path of inclusion.”

Okay, question #1: What is the community he is talking about? Where is it? It’s not at my parish. Is it in Argentina? I think there’s one path in life: raise your kids as best you can because nobody else cares one bit. Be willing to drive 90 minutes to get them to an orthodox Mass. I think perhaps the social situation where the Pope lives is quite different from most of the USA.
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He is talking about us all,our family,our neighborhood,our workplace,our schools,our every community expanding to all humanity.
We can have an inclusive heart that listens and cares,maybe small loving concrete deeds .
We are brothers and sisters. Some may be lonely,some suffering in different ways close to us and far.
I do not think nobody cares one bit. Think of the persons that do care for you…Why different in US? Yours is a caring community and there are many persons who would appreciate to be included into our lives ,hearts and communities. To know God loves us.
 
Exclusion is the root of all wars? Does anyone else find anything wrong with this statement? It seems to be lacking critical thought.

Wars are fought for all sorts of reasons, resources, glory etc… I would say that one of the most common causes of war is ideology.

I can’t help but feel he may have communion for the divorced and remarried in mind with this statement. After all, we (meany conservatives) are excluding them from the Holy Eucharist, or so the argument goes.
 
Persecuted said:
I can’t help but feel he may have communion for the divorced and remarried in mind with this statement. After all, we (meany conservatives) are excluding them from the Holy Eucharist, or so the argument goes.
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He was talking about our families and relationships with one another.
 
Anyone can share the pew with my family during mass. I don’t care what they look like, dress like, or even smell like. Anyone. God wants them there. Even if they are hostile to the Church, by just being there, they could have a change of heart. Anything is possible with God. Whether or not they take the Eucharist is between them, their confessor, and God. None of my business.
 
Catholic_farmer said:
Anyone can share the pew with my family during mass. I don’t care what they look like, dress like, or even smell like. Anyone. God wants them there. Even if they are hostile to the Church, by just being there, they could have a change of heart. Anything is possible with God. Whether or not they take the Eucharist is between them, their confessor, and God. None of my business.
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How about someone who plans on desecrating the consecrated host, and has stated so?..Anyone is welcome?
 
Catholic_farmer said:
Anyone can share the pew with my family during mass. I don’t care what they look like, dress like, or even smell like. Anyone. God wants them there. Even if they are hostile to the Church, by just being there, they could have a change of heart. Anything is possible with God. Whether or not they take the Eucharist is between them, their confessor, and God. None of my business.
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gilliam said:
He was talking about our families and relationships with one another.
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Oh, I think he was speaking much broader than that. Never close the door to the man begging on the street, or the migrants seeking a new and safe home, or the gay family down the street, or the Muslims who send kids to your school. The people who normally get doors closed in their faces? He is telling us to never close the door again.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Oh, I think he was speaking much broader than that. Never close the door to the man begging on the street, or the migrants seeking a new and safe home, or the gay family down the street, or the Muslims who send kids to your school. The people who normally get doors closed in their faces? He is telling us to never close the door again.
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Must we continue this charade?

The people who are normally beheaded for their faith (by Muslims) or thrown in jail (by homosexual activists) are, wait for it… Christians!

This caricature of the mean, cold-hearted Christian is not just wrong, it’s dangerous.

Please indulge me for just one moment. What if those migrants seeking a safe home (plus the gay family down the street, and the Muslim school kids) wanted to fundamentally alter your society in such a way that it would no longer be a place where refugees would want to flee to, or where gay people could even walk the streets without fearing for their lives? What if this were the actual truth of the matter?

If you doubt what I say I would encourage you to look at Europe, Sweden is now the number 2 rape capital of the world (yes really, Sweden!), gays are no longer safe in Amsterdam, France has over 750 no-go zones, and Germany has just signed its death warrant.

Meanwhile, there are still people who are indulging in the fantasy that mean Christians are the ones ‘closing doors’ on people’s faces.

Please just stop it. If you are really worried about the odd (actually quite rare) racist redneck Christian yelling random verbal abuse at a Muslim or homosexual, shouldn’t you be perhaps slightly more concerned about the targeted extermination of your own brother’s in Christ throughout the world?
 
I_trust said:
Hey LongingSoul,
I was answering your post.
I was just trying to flesh out your comment I quoted.
I needed clarification as to what your post was contending…

1.God does not send people to hell…they freely choose separation from God though their sins. He does not want anyone to choose to sin mortally, but He respects our choice, and if unrepented, the mortal sin will result in hell.
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2. God does not send people to hell, they freely choose eternal damnation. Our sins will not determine our eternal state (even mortal ones), only a conscious choice to separate ourselves forever from God.
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I have to confess that I’m not really following. The second option fills me with cognitive dissonance as though someone with schizophrenia was speaking to me.

God is my father and I am a daughter of His house. From there I can choose to leave the security and joy of this spiritual family life or I can continue to work for the good of this family and please Him. Sin means choosing against my Fathers wishes and the good of the family so I don’t know what you mean when you say ‘our sins will not determine our eternal state’. Why would anyone who knows the Father think that?
 
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