Pope admits failures on visit

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My heart is breaking for this Pope. You’d think he had personally done something the way people talk about and smear him. My prayers are with him, the poor man can’t even apologize.

And its so mean and hateful, the comments you know? If you read what people are writing, and some of them are fellow Christians! I dont know how, even if they dont agree with ‘organized religion’ or whatever their issue is, that they can’t have a level enough of a head to know that- he’s just a man too…and people make mistakes, and the whole Church isnt pedophiles, not all Priests are pedophiles…you know?
 
Yes. . .the same people who trumpet how much ‘holier’ and more "Christian’ they are and who heap abuse on the Pope remind me of the people who --even if they recognized the injustice, remained ‘silent’ and ‘complicit’ when another Man walked forward to be pilloried by ‘public opinion’, judged a wicked sinner, even put to death for crimes He did not commit. . .
 
Human nature I guess.
I’m always amazed by the hatred of the ‘liberal’ secularists. I guess he’s doing something right 😉
 
I was reading the coverage of this and of course its all 90 percent negative and rehashes old stories. Even though I am not Catholic, I am sick of this whole focus on a few people.
 
I continue to pray for the Holy Father during his visit to the UK. They have become a godless/hedonistic country and it is apparent in the secular sabotage displayed from hate billboards, ice cream ads, protests and anti Catholic sentiments in general.
 
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100916/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_britain

My heart is breaking for this Pope. You’d think he had personally done something the way people talk about and smear him. My prayers are with him, the poor man can’t even apologize.

And its so mean and hateful, the comments you know? If you read what people are writing, and some of them are fellow Christians! I dont know how, even if they dont agree with ‘organized religion’ or whatever their issue is, that they can’t have a level enough of a head to know that- he’s just a man too…and people make mistakes, and the whole Church isnt pedophiles, not all Priests are pedophiles…you know?
Satan knows his true enemy and brings all his wiles to bear on our Holy Father and the Church.
 
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100916/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_britain

My heart is breaking for this Pope. You’d think he had personally done something the way people talk about and smear him. My prayers are with him, the poor man can’t even apologize.

And its so mean and hateful, the comments you know? If you read what people are writing, and some of them are fellow Christians! I dont know how, even if they dont agree with ‘organized religion’ or whatever their issue is, that they can’t have a level enough of a head to know that- he’s just a man too…and people make mistakes, and the whole Church isnt pedophiles, not all Priests are pedophiles…you know?
It is quite telling that the Pope bashers would bash Christ himself in the same ways.
 
I’m sorry…but I have no sympathy. How many times does the pope need to apologize? The answer will always be: at least once more. The things that have happened cannot be put right — ever. They can only be prevented from happening again and the guilty brought swiftly to justice both religious and secular. And, I’m not impressed by the efforts to make those things happen in too many cases. — Until those responsible are pulled out of their holes like the vermin they are there will always be a need to apologize.
 
I’m sorry…but I have no sympathy. How many times does the pope need to apologize? The answer will always be: at least once more. The things that have happened cannot be put right — ever. They can only be prevented from happening again and the guilty brought swiftly to justice both religious and secular. And, I’m not impressed by the efforts to make those things happen in too many cases. — Until those responsible are pulled out of their holes like the vermin they are there will always be a need to apologize.
Let’s not pretend this is a Catholic problem. What has your “church” done to root out its probem, my guess is very little compared to the Catholic Church.

“Clergy Sexual Abuse (Frances Park)It is commonly believed that clergy sexual abuse is an exclusively Catholic problem that does not happen in other churches. In a 1983 doctoral thesis by Richard Blackmon, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner and 38% admitted to other sexualized contact with a parishioner.When Mentor Becomes Molester (Alexa Smith)
Reprinted with permission from Presbyterians Today, magazine of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).The Office of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) estimates that there are about 50 clergy sexual misconduct cases every year. Although cases in the PCUSA tend to involve adult women and male pastors, there are sometimes cases reported that involve children and other men.When Trust Is Betrayed: Understanding Sexual Abuse by Clergy (James Poling)”

“Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy (Associated Press, June 16, 2007, New York Times) [see also a related URL]The three companies that insure a majority of Protestant churches say they typically receive upward of 260 reports a year of children younger than 18 being sexually abused by members of the clergy, church staff members, volunteers or congregants.
Preachers Accused of Sins, and Crimes: ABC News Investigation Uncovers Predators in Protestant Churches, Jim Avila, Bonnie Van Gilder, and Matt Lopez, April 13, 2007 (ABC News / 20/20) [see also a related URL] [concentrates on Southern Baptists][A] six-month investigation by “20/20” found Protestant ministers, supposed men of God from every denomination, sexually abusing the children who trusted them. The investigation uncovered “preacher predators” in every corner of the country.
Sexual Abuse by Catholic Clergy: A Moral Panic (Religious Tolerance.Org / Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance)Abuse Rate: Few people seem to be asking whether sexual abuse of children is more common in the Roman Catholic church than in Protestant churches or other faith groups. Philip Jenkins, author of “Pedophiles and Priests” found no evidence that the incidence of child molestation among Roman Catholic priests was any greater than within other Christian denominations.”

"Clergy Who Molest: Unique Study Reveals Epidemic, Freethought Today, May 1990… . . a first-of-its-kind study of recent cases of molesting clergy and church staff conducted by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

. . . Of the accused clergy, 75 were Catholic priests (39.5%) and 111 were Protestant ministers (58%).
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Child sex abuse by Protestant clergy difficult to document: Large number of denominations, nature of hierarchy make task elusive, William Moyer, Binghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin, August 27, 2007But tracking allegations and confirmed cases of misconduct by Protestant clergy is an elusive task because Christianity’s other ecclesiastical division is wildly diverse, congregational and sometimes staunchly independent compared to Catholicism’s centralized hierarchy."

Harder to document but the numbers are still higher. Where is the outrage??? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your hate though.

chnetwork.org/forum/moral-and-social-doctrine/‘it-ain’t-just-catholic-priests’-resources-on-shocking-statistics-of-clergy-sexu/?wap2
 
I’m sorry…but I have no sympathy. How many times does the pope need to apologize? The answer will always be: at least once more. The things that have happened cannot be put right — ever. They can only be prevented from happening again and the guilty brought swiftly to justice both religious and secular. And, I’m not impressed by the efforts to make those things happen in too many cases. — Until those responsible are pulled out of their holes like the vermin they are there will always be a need to apologize.
Okay. And thats what he’s done here. He’s apologized. When someone apologizes to me, I generally accept the apology (wether deep down I feel better or not) but I dont turn around and spit in their face. The thought counts. At least to me it always will.

It just isnt nice, and this Pope himself didnt commit any acts of pedophilia.

As for the ‘efforts’ and as to wether they have pleased you or not, I know they’ve gone in and raided church offices in crazy ways over this! Storming in, messing things up, confiscating things…efforts are being made. But I think, just like with any fair trial, or investigation, there’s rules and ways of doing things. If your expecting people to pick up pitchforks and carry the priests out on our shoulders to hand deliver them to the public square, then yes, I’m afraid you are going to be disappointed.

Everyone has a right to a fair trial. Investigators have ways they have to do things legally. Its a process. It doesnt mean that we or the Pope dont care because its been a long process.
 
I’m sorry…but I have no sympathy. How many times does the pope need to apologize? The answer will always be: at least once more. The things that have happened cannot be put right — ever. They can only be prevented from happening again and the guilty brought swiftly to justice both religious and secular. And, I’m not impressed by the efforts to make those things happen in too many cases. — Until those responsible are pulled out of their holes like the vermin they are there will always be a need to apologize.
Catholics dont want sympathy from anyone. the reason this is hapening is because the leadership in teh Catholic Church has been weakened and that is why these people are able to walk all over the Catholic Church. it is time for the leaders of the Church to stand up and tell these people off. the devil is in charge right now using these people to take advantage of this situation to persecute the CC. but our Lord sees all.
 
Edinburgh is where I was born and raised, I know that the negatives things said About The Holy Father when he visited there are very hurtful and sad. I also know from my family and friends who still live there His visit was much needed and very much appreciated by the Catholics in the UK. His trip was a message to all those Catholics that no matter what is said or done against Catholicism God is with them, it was a such a positive thing for them. So regardless of what was said Pope Benedict was doing God’s work, I pray for him daily.
 
We need to keep in mind that the sexual abuse scandal has generateda great deal of anger among Catholics and non Catholics. If we examine the phenomenon of anger we find that some people can turn anger into justified indignation, which then transforms itself in to proactive response to a problem. I believe that this is the case with Pope John Paul II in 2001 and today with Pope Benedict XVI, as well as many Catholics.

However, there is also anger that is not converted into righteous indignation, but instead it becomes vindictive. This kind of anger does not see to correct a problem, but to get even. It will attack both the guilty and those who it perceives as guilty by association.

Those who have allowed their anger to turn into a quest for vindication, will never have enough to satisfy them. In fact, I highly doubt that God himself can satisfy them. Because when the mind and soul are so fixated on vindication, they lose all sight of redemption. God is not a vindictive God. He is a redemptive God.

It’s very hard to experience redemption when you’re fixated on vindication. This is going to take a very long time. It will probably be around until this angry group dies off. It’s very unfortunate that people cannot exchange vindictive anger for proactive indignation.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Think of him as the proverbial" lamb amongst the wolves", and you will feel a bit better, although these vile displays against this man and our church are always disturbing. I couldn’t help postulating as I watched this happening," how differently they would be behaving had this been a visit from the Dalai Lama". There would be decorum observed, and a deferential reverence offered. That is the deadly paradox facing all of Europe. This self-loathing abandonment of their own cultural core has led them to the precipice, with decline and low birth rates dragging them down into the abyss. But they persist and seem almost drugged by the pesistent drone of secularism, humanism and atheism. Those in decline are always the last to recognize it. It is a strange truth. They are all angrily marching toward their own demise

No other world leader would have to endure such malevolent disrespect as is this frail, eighty-three year old man. He is undergoing a strange form of martydom, right before our eyes, and I must admit that it has moved me to tears during this trip. Pope Benedict carries his cross with humility and dignity, and in my view he is an heroic leader. With images of the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins juxtuposed with our meek pontif, I must tell you that never in my life have I seen such a vivid and unambiguous depiction of the stark differences between the demonic and the angelic countenance. Our humble Pope faces down the hounds of hell with the same self-assurance that his Master did. He is a saintly man. Don’t worry too much for him, as he has Friends in high places.
 
Think of him as the proverbial" lamb amongst the wolves", and you will feel a bit better, although these vile displays against this man and our church are always disturbing. I couldn’t help postulating as I watched this happening," how differently they would be behaving had this been a visit from the Dalai Lama". There would be decorum observed, and a deferential reverence offered. That is the deadly paradox facing all of Europe. This self-loathing abandonment of their own cultural core has led them to the precipice, with decline and low birth rates dragging them down into the abyss. But they persist and seem almost drugged by the pesistent drone of secularism, humanism and atheism. Those in decline are always the last to recognize it. It is a strange truth. They are all angrily marching toward their own demise

No other world leader would have to endure such malevolent disrespect as is this frail, eighty-three year old man. He is undergoing a strange form of martydom, right before our eyes, and I must admit that it has moved me to tears during this trip. Pope Benedict carries his cross with humility and dignity, and in my view he is an heroic leader. With images of the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins juxtuposed with our meek pontif, I must tell you that never in my life have I seen such a vivid and unambiguous depiction of the stark differences between the demonic and the angelic countenance. Our humble Pope faces down the hounds of hell with the same self-assurance that his Master did. He is a saintly man. Don’t worry too much for him, as he has Friends in high places.
Thank you for this.
 
Think of him as the proverbial" lamb amongst the wolves", and you will feel a bit better, although these vile displays against this man and our church are always disturbing. I couldn’t help postulating as I watched this happening," how differently they would be behaving had this been a visit from the Dalai Lama". There would be decorum observed, and a deferential reverence offered. That is the deadly paradox facing all of Europe. This self-loathing abandonment of their own cultural core has led them to the precipice, with decline and low birth rates dragging them down into the abyss. But they persist and seem almost drugged by the pesistent drone of secularism, humanism and atheism. Those in decline are always the last to recognize it. It is a strange truth. They are all angrily marching toward their own demise

No other world leader would have to endure such malevolent disrespect as is this frail, eighty-three year old man. He is undergoing a strange form of martydom, right before our eyes, and I must admit that it has moved me to tears during this trip. Pope Benedict carries his cross with humility and dignity, and in my view he is an heroic leader. With images of the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins juxtuposed with our meek pontif, I must tell you that never in my life have I seen such a vivid and unambiguous depiction of the stark differences between the demonic and the angelic countenance. Our humble Pope faces down the hounds of hell with the same self-assurance that his Master did. He is a saintly man. Don’t worry too much for him, as he has Friends in high places.
Thank you for this.
I pray that we may all learn from our Pope and follow his brave example.
 
We need not fear for the Holy Father. Instead, we need to fear for ourselves. Let us fear that our own hearts will not become bitter. We must attach ourselves to the message that Christ left with us and that John Paul II never tired repeating, “Do not be afraid.”

Love and humility eventually conquer many evils, within the Church and around her. If we hang on to love and the practice of virtue, if we hang on to prayer and the practice of hope, if we hang on to truth and the practice of justice, then there is no evil that can destroy us. Evil will cause us to have a few bruises, some broken hearts and troubled days, but it has no power against faith. Our faith will not return to us empty-handed. We must move away from anger that seeks vindication and move toward reconciliation and correction of our faults. This is the perfection of charity. Those who work for reconciliation and reconstruction are on the right track. Those who seek vindication are walking in darkness. We must not give in to the enemy. The enemy does not care about sexual abuse. He is interested in souls. He uses any means to get us to despair, to lose faith, to hate and to lose sight of our own sinfulness. Do not give in to this temptation.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
I’m sorry…but I have no sympathy. How many times does the pope need to apologize? The answer will always be: at least once more. The things that have happened cannot be put right — ever. They can only be prevented from happening again and the guilty brought swiftly to justice both religious and secular. And, I’m not impressed by the efforts to make those things happen in too many cases. — Until those responsible are pulled out of their holes like the vermin they are there will always be a need to apologize.
I would agree. It pains me to state that, but I totally agree. I used to bury my head in the sand and call all of this a witch hunt, but I just can’t do that anymore. How can I keep calling this a witch hunt, when stories about this whole abuse/cover up thing keep breaking on a seemingly every other day basis. I recently started a thread on here stating my anger on this whole issue, and within minutes, the angry hate filled comments started coming my way. I had people on here telling me things like how dare you, and others on here calling me Martin Luther and a heretic. The thread I started was then deleted within hours. It almost caused me to erase my account here. I know that the secular media loves to use the Catholic Church as a punching bag, but I also think if it wasn’t for the media holding the church’s feet to the fire over all of this, much or all of this would still be being swept under the carpet. This whole thing sickens me.
 
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