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I can anticipate where you’re going with the second post, Abyssinia, so I am posting this as a FYI well worth considering.
I noted in this Vatican article, that there were negative sentiments regarding the proclamation of the Assumption, yet Pope Pius XII overruled them and issued the solemn proclamation. The same overruling may be done by Pope Francis, despite the public outcry regarding some of the Synod issues. The last paragraph (blue) is the only true possibility for us as Catholics.
Before publishing the Apostolic Constitution defining the dogma of the Assumption, Pius XII asked theology faculties around the world for an opinion. "Our teachers’ answer was emphatically negative" Ratzinger wrote. "What here became evident was the one-sidedness, not only of the historical, but also of the historicist method in theology. ‘Tradition’ was identified with what could be proved on the basis of* texts*.
“This argument is compelling if you understand ‘tradition’ strictly as the handing down of fixed formulas and texts,” Ratzinger remarked. “This was the position that our teachers represented. But if you conceive of ‘tradition’ as the living process of truth whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent ‘remembering’ (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it had not caught sight of previously and yet was already handed down in the original Word.”
Ratzinger wrote that in 1949, one year before the proclamation of the dogma was issued, Professor Gottlieb Söhngen expressed firm disagreement. Another professor, Eduard Schlink, who taught Systematic Theology at Heidelberg, asked him: “What will you do if the dogma is proclaimed anyway? Wouldn’t you have to turn your back on the Catholic Church?” Söhngen’s response was this: “If the dogma is proclaimed, I will bear in mind that the Church is wiser than I am and that I have more faith in the Church than in my erudition.”" I think that this small scene says everything about the spirit in which theology was done [in those days]," Ratzinger said, “both critically and with faith.”
I noted in this Vatican article, that there were negative sentiments regarding the proclamation of the Assumption, yet Pope Pius XII overruled them and issued the solemn proclamation. The same overruling may be done by Pope Francis, despite the public outcry regarding some of the Synod issues. The last paragraph (blue) is the only true possibility for us as Catholics.
Before publishing the Apostolic Constitution defining the dogma of the Assumption, Pius XII asked theology faculties around the world for an opinion. "Our teachers’ answer was emphatically negative" Ratzinger wrote. "What here became evident was the one-sidedness, not only of the historical, but also of the historicist method in theology. ‘Tradition’ was identified with what could be proved on the basis of* texts*.
“This argument is compelling if you understand ‘tradition’ strictly as the handing down of fixed formulas and texts,” Ratzinger remarked. “This was the position that our teachers represented. But if you conceive of ‘tradition’ as the living process of truth whereby the Holy Spirit introduces us to the fullness of truth and teaches us how to understand what previously we could still not grasp (cf. Jn 16:12-13), then subsequent ‘remembering’ (cf. Jn 16:4, for instance) can come to recognize what it had not caught sight of previously and yet was already handed down in the original Word.”
Ratzinger wrote that in 1949, one year before the proclamation of the dogma was issued, Professor Gottlieb Söhngen expressed firm disagreement. Another professor, Eduard Schlink, who taught Systematic Theology at Heidelberg, asked him: “What will you do if the dogma is proclaimed anyway? Wouldn’t you have to turn your back on the Catholic Church?” Söhngen’s response was this: “If the dogma is proclaimed, I will bear in mind that the Church is wiser than I am and that I have more faith in the Church than in my erudition.”" I think that this small scene says everything about the spirit in which theology was done [in those days]," Ratzinger said, “both critically and with faith.”
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I hope people read that excellent article, Sirach2!
“Always, when we seek the will of God in a Synodal assembly, there are diverse points of view and there is discussion, and this is not something unpleasant. May it always be done with humility and a spirit of service to the assembly of brothers.” And the whole thing unfolded “cum Petro et sub Petro”, in the presence of the Pope that is. The Pope is a “guarantee of freedom and trust for everybody, and a guarantee of orthodoxy.”
“Always, when we seek the will of God in a Synodal assembly, there are diverse points of view and there is discussion, and this is not something unpleasant. May it always be done with humility and a spirit of service to the assembly of brothers.” And the whole thing unfolded “cum Petro et sub Petro”, in the presence of the Pope that is. The Pope is a “guarantee of freedom and trust for everybody, and a guarantee of orthodoxy.”
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Thank you, LongingSoul,
I was also struck by this point, "… of a theology able to consider questions with renewed courage and of a spirituality that got rid of what was outdated and surpassed, to revive a new way of joy of the redemption. Dogma was not perceived as an external link, but as the vital source which made new knowledge possible.”
I am also impressed that Card. Ratzinger wrote this.
I was also struck by this point, "… of a theology able to consider questions with renewed courage and of a spirituality that got rid of what was outdated and surpassed, to revive a new way of joy of the redemption. Dogma was not perceived as an external link, but as the vital source which made new knowledge possible.”
I am also impressed that Card. Ratzinger wrote this.
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Obviously stacking the deck. It will be interesting to say the least.
No Americans - again. Gee, what does that tell us. Read between the lines - Americans go home. Well, o.k. then, if that’s that you want, you don’t want our (name removed by moderator)ut. Good, you won’t get it. Personally, I think this is a huge insult. Perhaps when the Pope comes later in the year, we should do what the cops did to Mayor Blasio in New York the other day.
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dans0622
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I thought synods of the past were marked by their lack of true openness and free discussion. I thought past popes allowed only “yes men” to have any role in these sorts of gatherings.
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Irish_Cabbie
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Thank you, Your Holiness, for giving us such great Cardinals.
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FollowChrist34
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Here is another article about it. It seems like Pope Francis basically selected from a wide range, emphasizing small, out of the way dioceses, many of which have not had a Cardinal before. (no ideological theme)
Pope Francis’ new cardinals shed light on Church’s minorities January 4, 2015 7:50 AM
Pope Francis’ new cardinals shed light on Church’s minorities January 4, 2015 7:50 AM
catholicworldreport.com/NewsBriefs/Default.aspx?rssGuid=pope-francis-new-cardinals-shed-light-on-churchs-minorities-56551/
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OK. I am not a Catholic. Bu I can’t help wondering: Would ANY of these men have been chosen by Pope Benedict? What I am really concerned about is whether these men were chosen because of their leftward politics. Does anyone here have any thoughts? 
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Irish_Cabbie
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Looking over the list of the new Cardinals, I don’t know what made me happier – those on the list or those who were kept off the list.OK. I am not a Catholic. Bu I can’t help wondering: Would ANY of these men have been chosen by Pope Benedict? What I am really concerned about is whether these men were chosen because of their leftward politics. Does anyone here have any thoughts?
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LongingSoul
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“15 new cardinals to be created come from 14 countries and from every continent.” sounds very much like a drive to turn the Vatican into a truly diverse and global village rather than a strategic political move.OK. I am not a Catholic. Bu I can’t help wondering: Would ANY of these men have been chosen by Pope Benedict? What I am really concerned about is whether these men were chosen because of their leftward politics. Does anyone here have any thoughts?
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FollowChrist34
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Yes, I also think that is what he is up to. Perhaps I am romanticizing here but my gut feeling is these bishops will have their feet on the ground and in their parishes, not be part of any ideological clique; I hope I am right. (I am thinking of Africa vs. Europe/US/South America, etc.)
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McCall1981
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Hm, interesting.
No Forte and no Cupich. Also no Gomez and no Chaput.
No Forte and no Cupich. Also no Gomez and no Chaput.
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LongingSoul
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The US and Italy are already abundantly represented in the Cardinalate. These new appointments add to a more global mix of experiences and perspectives.
www2.fiu.edu/~mirandas/countrynow.htm
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McCall1981
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Yes, I’m aware of that.
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ProVobis
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That’s hard to say, as Pope Benedict (as well as his predecessor Pope JPII) didn’t elevate only conservative bishops. Definitely very few, if any, of those elevated by the previous Popes would be who one would consider, traditional-leaning. So no change there.OK. I am not a Catholic. Bu I can’t help wondering: Would ANY of these men have been chosen by Pope Benedict? What I am really concerned about is whether these men were chosen because of their leftward politics. Does anyone here have any thoughts?
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Caldera599
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Some in the traditionalist wing still think it’s a sign of a bomb about to explode and irreparably damage the Church, as though a Synod can change the doctrine of the Church.
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ProVobis
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Well then, why did Pope Benedict mention doctrinal differences between the Vatican and that group which maintains that it adheres to some old doctrine?
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Do you have some examples of the new cardinals’ “leftward politics”?OK. I am not a Catholic. Bu I can’t help wondering: Would ANY of these men have been chosen by Pope Benedict? What I am really concerned about is whether these men were chosen because of their leftward politics. Does anyone here have any thoughts?
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