Pope announces names of new Cardinals

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McCall1981 said:
Hm, interesting.

No Forte and no Cupich. Also no Gomez and no Chaput.
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None of that is surprising. An Archbishop who is installed in a See that is ‘traditional’ occupied by a Cardinal is very rarely installed in the Collide of Cardinals while his predecessor is alive and in active Ministry.

Cardinal Mahony is still active and living in LA, so it will be quite awhile befire +Gomex is inducted into the College. Likewise with +Chaput and Cardinal Rigali in Philly., with +Cupich (Cardinal George), or even in my own Archdiocese, Archbishop Vigneron of Detroit. Cardinal Maida is still around and very active.
 
Brendan said:
None of that is surprising. An Archbishop who is installed in a See that is ‘traditional’ occupied by a Cardinal is very rarely installed in the Collide of Cardinals while his predecessor is alive and in active Ministry.

Cardinal Mahony is still active and living in LA, so it will be quite awhile befire +Gomex is inducted into the College. Likewise with +Chaput and Cardinal Rigali in Philly., with +Cupich (Cardinal George), or even in my own Archdiocese, Archbishop Vigneron of Detroit. Cardinal Maida is still around and very active.
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Why are people jumping on my post?

I didn’t say it was surprising, I know the US and Italy are already over-represented, I know those Sees still have a living Cardinal.

I was interested in what happened with the Americans because I’m American, and I was interested in what would happen with Forte, and Fisher too, and now we know. Its an interesting topic, thats all I was saying.
 
I was extremely happy to learn that Monsignor Jose Luis Lacunza -Spaniard by birth who took the Panamanian citizenship in the 80’s - Arzobishop for Chiriqui, Panama has been named Cardinal. He gave me the sacrament of confirmation and he was my Theology proffesor for a long time. He is a man of very high morals, who really cares for the poor; and for anyone who wonders - he holds the right position of the catholic church on all matters. As a person he is the nicest person and he has lived an entire live dedicated to the church and to follow the gospel. He is going to be a great cardinal and I cannot say enough how happy and excited I am that Pope Francis choose him as a cardinal. Pope Francis with him you did a wonderful decision :D:yup:👍:clapping::yyeess:
 
McCall1981 said:
Why are people jumping on my post?

I didn’t say it was surprising, I know the US and Italy are already over-represented, I know those Sees still have a living Cardinal.

I was interested in what happened with the Americans because I’m American, and I was interested in what would happen with Forte, and Fisher too, and now we know. Its an interesting topic, thats all I was saying.
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I’m sorry if it came across as jumping on your post. It was definitely NOT my intention to do so.

My post was only to clarify that no one really expected the bishops you named to be installed in the College anytime soon.
 
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...22_2014_Credit_Lauren_CaterCNA_CNA.jpgVatican City, Jan 5, 2015 / 11:32 am (CNA/EWTN News).- In creating 20 new cardinals – 15 of whom will be cardinal electors – Pope Francis has continued to set his sights on the world’s peripheries, and at the same time he began designing the College of Cardinals in order to push forward his reforms.

Among the new cardinal electors, only Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, hails from the Roman curia; he had previously served, since 2006, as the Vatican’s Secretary for Relations with States.

Most of the new red birettas hail from the peripheries of the world, and follow the rationale of “the universality of the Church,” as Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See press office, put it in a written note delivered Jan. 4.

With the Feb. 14-15 consistory at which the new cardinals are officially appointed, the weight of the curia will be diminished in the election of the next Bishop of Rome.

At the moment, there are 33 curial members among the 110 voting cardinals, that is, 30 percent of the conclave. After the consistory, there will be 34 voting cardinals from the curia, among 125, a reduction of three percent.

The new outline of the college of cardinals may be decisive for what concerns the Church reforms Pope Francis has in mind.

Pope Francis desires that the high ranks of the Church be committed to a continual dialogue and discussion, and for this purpose he is using consistories as a tool to foster an open discussion.

Pope Francis enlarged the agenda of October 2014 consistory – scheduled in order to vote for two canonizations – convoking the cardinals to discuss the situation in the Middle East.

It was the second time Pope Francis convoked a consistory to discuss a timely issue.

Earlier, Pope Francis had convoked a February 2014 consistory to discuss the family, opening the discussion which took place in the extraordinary synod. The consistory took place on the eve of Pope Francis’ first consistory to create new cardinals.

Likewise, Pope Francis has convoked an ordinary consistory to discuss curial reform Feb. 12-13, on the eve of the consistory to create new cardinals, scheduled for Feb. 14.

The consistory will take place after the seventh gathering of the Council of Cardinals, scheduled Feb. 9 -11.

A first draft of Curia reform was presented during the Pope’s regular meeting with the chief of Vatican dicasteries Nov. 24, 2014.

According to the draft, the Pontifical Councils for Justice and Peace, Migrants, Cor Unum, Health Care and the Pontifical Academy for Life would be merged into a new Congregation for Justice and Peace. A new Congregation for Laity and Family was intended to enroll the Pontifical Councils for Laity and for the Family.

The draft was widely discussed during the meeting, and was reviewed at the following meeting of the Council of Cardinals, held Dec. 9-11.

The Council of Cardinals will once again discuss the draft, taking into consideration some criticisms of the draft which emerged during the meetings, and then this draft will be discussed at the following consistory.

As the members of the Roman curia will have less weight, it is likely that the balance of the discussion will swing toward the residential archbishops, who may have a decisive word in advancing curial reform.

Despite some minor adjustments, the final decision on curial reform should not come out soon. In the interview granted Dec. 7, 2014 to ‘La Nacion’, Pope Francis stressed that “reforming the Curia will take a long time, this is the most complex part,” and anticipated that reform will not be ready within 2015.

The international and ‘peripheries’ sway of the College of Cardinals may help the Holy Father to speed up the process of curial reform, overcoming criticisms and internal resistance: this is how the next consistory could advance reforms.

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Brendan said:
I’m sorry if it came across as jumping on your post. It was definitely NOT my intention to do so.

My post was only to clarify that no one really expected the bishops you named to be installed in the College anytime soon.
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Perhaps in the next 3 or so years maybe.
 
I was listening to Hugh Hewitt (always a mistake) and he was discussing his opinion that the Holy Father dissed the USA because he did not name Archbishops Chaput and Gomez Cardinals. I know that they will both become Cardinals, but I could not find the discussion in which it was said that both will have to wait a certain prescribed number of years after their predecessors retired. Does anyone have that information? Thanks.
 
Brownginger said:
it was said that both will have to wait a certain prescribed number of years after their predecessors retired. Does anyone have that information? Thanks.
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I guess the very busy “God of surprises” couldn’t find a loop hole to give conservative American Archbishop Chaput a well-deserved cardinal’s hat this year.
 
Perhaps the Holy Father will bring a Red Hat with him to Philadelphia later this year. As noted, he is full of surprises.
 
Both of those Sees have retired Archbishop Cardinals who are under age 80 and thus still eligible to elect the pope. The new Archbishops will certainly not be made Cardinal until their predecessors are over age 80.
 
christus_vincit said:
I guess the very busy “God of surprises” couldn’t find a loop hole to give conservative American Archbishop Chaput a well-deserved cardinal’s hat this year.
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:confused: If there was a loophole and if it was God’s will for Chaput to receive the cardinal hat now, don’t you believe He would have found it?
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Both of those Sees have retired Archbishop Cardinals who are under age 80 and thus still eligible to elect the pope. The new Archbishops will certainly not be made Cardinal until their predecessors are over age 80.
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makes sense.
Mahony turns 80 in February, 2016 so that is likely the earliest we might see Gomez made Cardinal.
Rigali turns 80 in April so Francis probably isn’t bringing a red hat for Chaput next month.
 
If anyone has been dissed, it has been the South Americans, Africans and Asians who for centuries have enjoyed FAR fewer cardinals per layman than Europe and North America.

As the first pope from South America EVER, perhaps Francis is simply reorganizing the number of cardinals to do a better job of being a catholic church. There are a FIXED number of voting age cardinals allowed. You can’t have more in one place without having less in others.
 
whm said:
“from every continent”

Who is the cardinal from Antarctica? 😃
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Well Pope Francis is Argentinian and he sits in the Vatican hence they follow five continents: America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania. In that sense there is a cardinal from each continent.
 
How very dare the Pope for snubbing the United States by not installing yet another American cardinal! :rolleyes:

Must be hard being Pope.
 
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