Pope arrives, receives quite a warm welcome!

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The Pope really needs to leave Brazil. Brazil has already shown they can not protect his Holiness.
 
We really need to pray for the Pope’s safety on this trip. Perhaps this was not the most prudent choice of a location for World Youth Day, though I think both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict before him are the type of people who would very much accept such risks to their personal safety.
 
Kevin812 said:
As to the the Pope risking his life; He not only risks His life with His carelessness but all those around Him. The Swiss Guard, Vatican Security, Brazil’s security assets, the Papal Party, the Brazilian delegation, and the all the people in the crowds are at grave, mortal risk
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This is a very reasonable and logical statement, and a great demonstration of common sense and prudence.

However, let us re-read the Holy Scripture if we seek to understand what the world’s wisdom cannot comprehend.
Finally, he said to his disciples, “Let’s go back to Judea.”
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The disciples say unto him: “Rabbi, the Jews were but now seeking to stone thee; and are you going there again?”
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Jesus answered, “Aren’t there twelve hours of daylight? Those who walk during the day don’t stumble, because they see the light of this world. But at night there is danger of stumbling because they have no light.”
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Thomas therefore, who is called Didymus, said to his fellow disciples: “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
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Then said Jesus to his disciples: “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.”
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and a large crowd followed him and pressed on him
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she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, because she thought, “If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed.” …] At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, “Who touched my clothes?”
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“You see the people crowding against you,” his disciples answered, “and yet you can ask, ‘Who touched me?’ ”
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But Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it. Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth. He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering.”
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As the Father has sent me, so I send you.
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Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. …] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
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Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these
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Sigh… can’t expect a mainstream national newspaper to report anything GOOD about WYD or the pope.
 
I am convinced that so-called “same-sex marriage” is the mark of the beast that is mentioned in Revelation. It is a doctrine of demons that mocks God’s institution of marriage. The mark is received on the head with the mocked blessing by the one conducting the official ceremony and on the hand with the ring they wear.
 
Aelred_Minor said:
We really need to pray for the Pope’s safety on this trip. Perhaps this was not the most prudent choice of a location for World Youth Day, though I think both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict before him are the type of people who would very much accept such risks to their personal safety.
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Pope Benedict XVI took a risk when he visited Lebanon. Both Benedict XVI and our current Pope Francis have a lot more courage than me.
 
Kevin812 said:
Sorry to have disagree Brother, but the Pope’s life was clearly at risk and the “Official Statement” is only for political/public-relations purposes.

As to the the Pope risking his life; He not only risks His life with His carelessness but all those around Him. The Swiss Guard, Vatican Security, Brazil’s security assets, the Papal Party, the Brazilian delegation, and the all the people in the crowds are at grave, mortal risk if His Holiness has a lapse of judgement or someone messes up. He can not afford to be that careless. We do not need a rock star pope with a death wish.

May the Holy Father have a long, healthy life!!!
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Calling the Holy Father “careless” is very disrespectful, don’t you think? The answer concerning his safety did not come from the Vatican. It came directly from the Holy Father via his secretary. The Holy Father is very conscious of the risks and he is convinced that they are morally justifiable. Far be it for me to argue with a pope about what is morally justifiable. St. Francis would roll over in his grave if I were to do such a thing.

If the pope says that this is how things must be and that this is morally justifiable . . . as a traditional Franciscan, it is my moral duty to obey, accept and defend his position. If you want us to violate the rule written by founder and violate tradition, we will not do that. We too have to recover tradition. It is our tradition, going back to 1209, to stand by the pope.

You are free to think as you wish. But do not expect those of us who are consecrated to obedience and to unquestioning submission to the pope to follow along. It is our mission in the Church to lead the faithful by our obedience and our example of submission to the Bishop of Rome and trust in Our Lady and Divine Providence.

The Holy Father’s response was a direct quote from our Holy Rule. I cannot and will not question that. Not only that, but the Church approved that rule. The Church cannot approve any rule that contains error or leads others to moral irresponsibility. Therefore, I stand by the Holy Father when he quotes the rule. “We do not own our lives.” They belong to God.

Also, never forget that this pope is a religious. As a Jesuit, he has a vow to be a missionary. St. Ignatius would not expect anything less of his sons than to go out and preach the Gospel, regardless of the risks. This pope is not a secular priest. He has other moral obligations that are not suspended when he became pope.
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The Pope really needs to leave Brazil. Brazil has already shown they can not protect his Holiness.
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Slow down here. This is a very radical reaction. You are disrespecting a nation of your brothers and sisters. They have more right to have the pope among them than we do in the USA by the mere fact that they are the poor of the Church and they are his people. Latin America is his home. He has a right to be there and they have a right to have him there. They do the best they can with the resources they have.

If we stop and think with clarity, how many US presidents have been killed or come close to being killed within the boundaries of the United States. How many heads of state have been killed in Brazil? They actually have a much lower incidence of this type of violence than we do with all of our technology and security. The degree of hatred for the papacy and Catholicism is much greater here in our USA than in Brazil.

Let us never forget that nothing is impossible for God. Man proposes, but God disposes. Man does the best he can do with the resources he has; then he places himself in the hands of Providence. A true Jesuit missionary never runs away from danger, because of a lack of resources. That is not the spirit of St. Ignatius.

The pope is there is a missionary to the youth of the world. We must place faith and trust in God’s providence and in the grace that he gives to the young people who surround the Holy Father.

We must avoid the temptation to react and run in fear when the Gospel needs to be preached and when the Successor of Peter is required to make himself present to comfort his brothers and walk among the poor.
 
Aletheian said:
I very much doubt the Pope asked Brazil to park a bunch of buses in his way on route. The Brazilian government should have planned this better.
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It was just a traffic jam, very common in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. Traffic in these two cities can be very chaotic. And traffic is responsability of each city, not of the federal government. At least here in Brazil.
 
This brought tears to my eyes:
Pope Francis urged Catholics to resist the “ephemeral idols” of money, power and pleasure during a pilgrimage Wednesday to one of the most important shrines in Latin America
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Francis celebrated the first public Mass of his trip to Brazil after praying before the statue of Our Lady of Aparecida, Brazil’s patron saint. His eyes welled up with emotion as he stood silently in deep prayer before the tiny dark-skinned statue.
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Francis paused in deep prayer before the statue of the virgin, his eyes tearing up as he breathed heavily. He touched the frame holding the statue and made the sign of the cross as a small group of prelates behind him applauded.
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It was a deeply personal moment for this pontiff, who has entrusted his papacy to the Virgin Mary and, who like many Catholics in Latin America, places great importance in Marian devotion.
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Kevin812 said:
Sorry to have disagree Brother, but the Pope’s life was clearly at risk and the “Official Statement” is only for political/public-relations purposes.

As to the the Pope risking his life; He not only risks His life with His carelessness but all those around Him. The Swiss Guard, Vatican Security, Brazil’s security assets, the Papal Party, the Brazilian delegation, and the all the people in the crowds are at grave, mortal risk if His Holiness has a lapse of judgement or someone messes up. He can not afford to be that careless. We do not need a rock star pope with a death wish.

May the Holy Father have a long, healthy life!!!
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I don’t think his carelessness was intentional but he accepted the fact to be in danger
with pure submission to God’s providence.
I do think that risking his life and others while holding Jesus message of love and fraternity
is a great honor for him and his companions especially when the Holy See is aware about so many Churches persecutions all around the world only because they are christens.
God Bless him and keep him safe because the Holy Spirit give him the courage to continue his message without fear.
 
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