Pope Assails Secularism, Adding Footnote on Jihad

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September 13, 2006
** Pope Assails Secularism, Adding Footnote on Jihad **

By IAN FISHER
REGENSBURG, Germany, Sept. 12 — Pope Benedict XVI weighed in Tuesday on the delicate issue of rapport between Islam and the West: He said that violence, embodied in the Muslim idea of jihad, or holy war, is contrary to reason and God’s plan, while the West was so beholden to reason that Islam could not understand it.
Nonetheless, in a complex treatise delivered at the university here where he once taught, he suggested reason as a common ground for a “genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today.”
In all, the speech seemed to reflect the Vatican’s struggle over how to confront Islam and terrorism, as the 79-year-old pope pursues what is often considered a more provocative, hard-nosed and skeptical approach to Islam than his predecessor, John Paul II.
As such, it distilled many of Benedict’s longstanding concerns, about the crisis of faith among Christians and about Islam and its relationship to violence.
And he used language open to interpretations that could inflame Muslims, at a time of high tension among religions and three months before he makes a trip to Turkey.
He began his speech, which ran over half an hour, by quoting a 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologus, in a conversation with a “learned Persian” on Christianity and Islam — “and the truth of both.”
“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread the sword by the faith he preached,” the pope quoted the emperor, in a speech to 1,500 students and faculty.
He went on to say that violent conversion to Islam was contrary to reason and thus “contrary to God’s nature.”
But the section on Islam made up just three paragraphs of the speech, and he devoted the rest to a long examination of how Western science and philosophy had divorced themselves from faith — leading to the secularization of European society that is at the heart of Benedict’s worries.

I’m glad to see Pope Benedict taking a more realistic line toward Islam. I certainly give Pope John Paul credit for trying to build bridges to the Muslim community but it seems that during his reign but he got very little in response.
 
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      • he devoted the rest to a long examination of how Western science and philosophy had divorced themselves from faith — leading to the secularization of European society that is at the heart of Benedict’s worries.

Secularization, not Islam, is the elephant in the room. While JPII was warmly welcomed and feted on his travels, and this continues to be the case with Benedict XVI, weekly Mass attendance among Catholics in Europe during their reigns has dropped to a reported 14%.
 
Yeah, we can’t really condone either…and yet we need each as an ally against the other. Very difficult politically.

I hate secularism, and frankly admire the extremist Muslim zeal against it. I may not agree with the violent means used…but if those people are sincerely following their (however gravely malformed) conscience…you gotta hand it to them.

At the same time, I believe Muslims are infidels, their fundamentalist and irrational zeal is a threat to Christianity, and the violence they wield is dangerous. Holy War is a ridiculous concept, and their religion is totally false, yet because of their zeal…is making inroads.

I think what we need to do is try to make Catholicism a little more extremist. But not violent. But we need to return to fervor and zeal. We need to provide energy…people who are willing to die for the Faith, and make ourselves attractive to those who might lean towards the utter dedication and submission asked of people in Islam. We must no longer have this wishy-washy Catholicism in a half-hearted dialogue with the World. We must enter our Tower of Ivory, our House of Gold, and segregate ourselves. We must form a distinct Catholic identity again that people hold above all else. Not just a hobby or something for Sundays…but really differentiate ourselves, our liturgy, and our positions. And really be uncompromising. Because that’s been the problem, I think: the Church compromising, but getting no concessions in return from anyone (the secular world, other sects, etc)
 
More faith in christianism and mainly in catholicism is very necessary, It´s clear, but the answer can be solved with each one. We have to begin with us.
 
Yeah, we can’t really condone either…and yet we need each as an ally against the other. Very difficult politically.
I hate secularism, and frankly admire the extremist Muslim zeal against it. I may not agree with the violent means used…but if those people are sincerely following their (however gravely malformed) conscience…you gotta hand it to them.
At the same time, I believe Muslims are infidels, their fundamentalist and irrational zeal is a threat to Christianity, and the violence they wield is dangerous. Holy War is a ridiculous concept, and their religion is totally false, yet because of their zeal…is making inroads.
I think what we need to do is try to make Catholicism a little more extremist. But not violent. But we need to return to fervor and zeal. We need to provide energy…people who are willing to die for the Faith, and make ourselves attractive to those who might lean towards the utter dedication and submission asked of people in Islam. We must no longer have this wishy-washy Catholicism in a half-hearted dialogue with the World. We must enter our Tower of Ivory, our House of Gold, and segregate ourselves. We must form a distinct Catholic identity again that people hold above all else. Not just a hobby or something for Sundays…but really differentiate ourselves, our liturgy, and our positions. And really be uncompromising. Because that’s been the problem, I think: the Church compromising, but getting no concessions in return from anyone (the secular world, other sects, etc)
Love this batteddy!
 
Yeah, we can’t really condone either…and yet we need each as an ally against the other. Very difficult politically.

I hate secularism, and frankly admire the extremist Muslim zeal against it. I may not agree with the violent means used…but if those people are sincerely following their (however gravely malformed) conscience…you gotta hand it to them.

At the same time, I believe Muslims are infidels, their fundamentalist and irrational zeal is a threat to Christianity, and the violence they wield is dangerous. Holy War is a ridiculous concept, and their religion is totally false, yet because of their zeal…is making inroads.

I think what we need to do is try to make Catholicism a little more extremist. But not violent. But we need to return to fervor and zeal. We need to provide energy…people who are willing to die for the Faith, and make ourselves attractive to those who might lean towards the utter dedication and submission asked of people in Islam. We must no longer have this wishy-washy Catholicism in a half-hearted dialogue with the World. We must enter our Tower of Ivory, our House of Gold, and segregate ourselves. We must form a distinct Catholic identity again that people hold above all else. Not just a hobby or something for Sundays…but really differentiate ourselves, our liturgy, and our positions. And really be uncompromising. Because that’s been the problem, I think: the Church compromising, but getting no concessions in return from anyone (the secular world, other sects, etc)
If anyone wanted me to return to the church this above statement has completely scared the pants of me!!!:eek: :eek:
 
There are many views on Islam, and it seems none take into account that radical, kill-all-non-beleivers Islam is not true Islam, but a radical offshoot, primarily nurtured by radicals within the religion in the past couple of centuries. People even go so far as to distort the original historical writings to find support for modern radicalism.
 
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