Pope attacks global economics for worshipping 'god of money'

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chero23 said:
It’s an unfortunate situation but ppl do take and look at money and see it as more important than God. It’s unfortunate bc we have historical proof of how money can destroy a person. I don’t why these individuals don’t learn and see that history repeats itself.
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Yep. The problem is that the worship of money happens in both Socialism and Capitalism…and, yes, even Distributism. The attachment to material goods is the problem.
 
SaintAugustine said:
Indeed. In other words, there is no “economic system” that will accomplish it. Thank you for confirming that. The Church has spoken out against Socialism, so that is not it. Unbridled Capitalism is also out. Distributism is ideal, but I don’t see how to implement it without a tyrannical government forcing it.

I think the best we can do is regulated Capitalism (which is what we have now) that encourages distributism without government overreach, which is against Church teaching.
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How do you plan on changing the core values, which is what our Pope is alluding to?
 
Robert_Sock said:
How do you plan on changing the core values, which is what our Pope is alluding to?
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How do you plan on doing it? You’re the one that claimed “this is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!”
 
SaintAugustine said:
How do you plan on doing it? You’re the one that claimed “this is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!”
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Look at the original article and tell me what this thread is about. You are very argumentative, as if you were carrying a chip on you shoulder. Quick to criticize, but unwilling to contribute to what Pope Francis is talking about.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Look at the original article and tell me what this thread is about. You are very argumentative, as if you were carrying a chip on you shoulder. Quick to criticize, but unwilling to contribute to what Pope Francis is talking about.
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How do you figure that? I gave a big thumbs up to Pope Francis’ comments, though I did acknowledge that it is a complex issue…more complex than the Pope’s populist comments recognized. As I and the article alluded to, Pope Benedict was more complex in his similar comments. It is a complex issue.

You are the one who overreached by making it sound like there was some economic system that was “not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!” Don’t lash out at me because of your hyperbole. I’m sorry if I don’t go for the pollyanna approach toward economic systems. 🤷
 
SaintAugustine said:
How do you figure that? I gave a big thumbs up to Pope Francis’ comments, though I did acknowledge that it is a complex issue…more complex than the Pope’s populist comments recognized. As I and the article alluded to, Pope Benedict was more complex in his similar comments. It is a complex issue.

You are the one who overreached by making it sound like there was some economic system that was “not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!” Don’t lash out at me because of your hyperbole. I’m sorry if I don’t go for the pollyanna approach toward economic systems. 🤷
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Do you have any degree in economics with special training in humanitarian economic systems? If not, who are you to viciously attack my statements?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Do you have any degree in economics with special training in humanitarian economic systems? If not, who are you to viciously attack my statements?
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Viciously attack? Sheesh! I just challenged your statement. When someone says with confidence, “this is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality,” I assume they know something. You replied that you don’t know anything. It isn’t my fault you overreached. Why are you viciously attacking me??

I repeat. I would love an economic system that would accomplish the Church’s goal.
 
SaintAugustine said:
Viciously attack? Sheesh! I just challenged your statement. When someone says with confidence, “this is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality,” I assume they know something. You replied that you don’t know anything. It isn’t my fault you overreached. Why are you viciously attacking me??

I repeat. I would love an economic system that would accomplish the Church’s goal.
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And what might that economic system look like?
 
Robert_Sock said:
And what might that economic system look like?
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Lol…that is exactly what I asked you. I’m the one that wants to know, since it “is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!” 😛
 
SaintAugustine said:
Lol…that is exactly what I asked you. I’m the one that wants to know, since it “is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!” 😛
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I provided an answer in post 18. That’s the best I can do.
 
SaintAugustine said:
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Post 16 = “Speak for yourself. It’s your opinion!” 🙂

That is a an odd economic system. 😃

Love you, Robert! Have a great night…
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Typo on my part, so sorry, should be post 18. Have a blessed night. LOVE you too!
 
How do we put LOVE into the global economy? I personally believe it will take a uniting of the world’s major religions–a common cause to end extreme poverty in the world using an unprecedented lobbying power.
 
Robert_Sock said:
The current economic system breeds greed, power and prestige, which are all EVIL!!! We need an economic system that caters to those living in extreme poverty. An economic system that invests in the poor by promoting education of all children, and providing decent paying, and meaningful, jobs. With 2.4 billion people living on less than $2.00 (USD) per day, can you imagine the strength of an economic system that puts these poor souls to work? Can you imagine the new technologies, increased production and scientific research that would result? This is not a dream or wishful thinking, but a potential reality!
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Wow that sounds like an amazing place to live, but I am sure economics is much more complex than that. The Pope isn’t schooled in economy, although I agree with him, the economy is much more fragile and difficult to change.
 
Money has become god because we have lost belief in him or at least in the true God. The values and virtues all come from him which we need to measure our selves and strive to attain. Without it we have turned to social class to measure our value, if the more money raises one’s value then an individual will do almost anything to attain more of it, thus the worship of money. Being in a high social class isn’t a sin, contrary to the belief of some CAF members on here, but when that is used to determine your value as a human being then you have failed and no longer worshiping God.
 
spartan_cop said:
Being in a high social class isn’t a sin, contrary to the belief of some CAF members on here…
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Perhaps. But without question, one could use his or her excess wealth to actually save lives. A failure to do so seems like a pretty serious moral failing to me.
 
gracepoole said:
Perhaps. But without question, one could use his or her excess wealth to actually save lives. A failure to do so seems like a pretty serious moral failing to me.
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Absolutely. We are all called to holiness and should work on our failings.
 
Economy is a social science. Change the people and you will change the economic systems from within. The changes should not happen to the rules in order to change people, but in people values, for the rules to change.
 
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