Pope Benedict expected to name Bishop Jose Gomez to succeed Mahony in Los Angeles

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pnewton said:
This is very good news for Califonia, if not San Antonio. I hope all realize that changes will not be as sweeping or as swift as many here desire. The Church does not act like a secular institution. AB Gomez will act pastorally, not as the “new sheriff in town.” LA has had serious issues that will not all be resolved the first year. That being said, I do look for the more serious abuses to be halted and the Catholicism of the Church to be re-asserted as the years pass.

I think of equal significance is the message this and other appointments send to the younger priests and future bishops as to what type of person will begin additional responsibility and what type will not.
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SNAP Press Statement

For immediate release: Tuesday, April 6, 2010

New Archbishop

Statement by Barbara Garcia Boehland of SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests 210-621-2177; Cell: 210-725-8329

*With Gomez, the Pope is promoting a bishop with a troubling record of recent secrecy and risk regarding child safety. If the Pope is trying to convince us he’s “tough” on abuse, he’s shooting himself in the foot by elevating Gomez.

Just last year, Gomez kept silent about two clerics whose religious supervisors deemed ‘credibly accused’ of sexually abusing teenagers. One of those clerics now apparently works in Rome.
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snapnetwork.org/snap_statements/2010_statements/040610_new_archbishop.htm

Babes. :sad_bye:
 
pnewton said:
I do not consider SNAP a credible source. I would think it would be obvious that they lack objectivity.
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You can be certain that these allegations will be looked into.

Secrecy does not cut it in Los Angeles. Abuse of minors does not cut it among Hispanics. Gomez is going to have a hard time if there is any truth to these allegations.
 
anode said:
You can be certain that these allegations will be looked into.

Secrecy does not cut it in Los Angeles. Abuse of minors does not cut it among Hispanics. Gomez is going to have a hard time if there is any truth to these allegations.
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Nothing about Los Angeles would surprise me, including a lynching by press of anyone religious. Honestly, I could care less about what all those who cry “abuse” and cover-up" at every event have to say anymore. If someone commits a crime, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Period. Outside of a conviction, or at least an indictment of a crime, it is time for the Church to realize that there is a war of lies and innuendo being waged. The Church is being held liable for either crimes that are not substantiated, or the failure of the justice system.

Same old story. There will always be those in the media, and even in the Church that will forward this demonic campaign. Not I.

If there is evidence. Then file the paperwork. SNAP has had no problem doing this in the past. Let us let the justice system work and those proven guilty pay. If these priest were proven guilty of wrong doing, then let us see a link to where they were convicted in a court of law. I consider everything else gossip and rumor.
 
Digitonomy said:
Is LA larger than the Mexico City diocese?
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The most recent stats I could find show the Archdiocese of Los Angeles at 4.6 million Catholics, while the Archdiocese of Mexico (D.F.) has about 7 million Catholics. So the claim that Bishop Gomez is to be shepherd-in-waiting of the continent’s largest local church is incorrect, the article probably meant the country’s largest church.
 
pnewton said:
I do not consider SNAP a credible source. I would think it would be obvious that they lack objectivity.
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Even though the coverup of abuse probably reached the worst levels under the liberal Vatican II crowd, SNAP appears to have such an unjust hate-on for Pope Benedict that they wish to undermine everything he does… which apparently includes the restoration of the Catholic faith. Unless I’m misinterpreting their actions.
 
Sword_Brethren said:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7792/pokamass268.jpgThis happened last July in San Antonio.
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I think a Polka mass means they use accordions to play hymns on, similar to when at a mariachi mass they use guitars,etc.to play hymns.
Nobody dances the polka during mass. Don’t know if in Germany they do something similar to a polka mass. Never heard my dad’s relatives mention it.Course I’ve never been to Bavaria where they are from,so it might just be the regular latin mass ,or was in the old days.
 
Sword_Brethren said:
It was Fr. McHugh that invited The Latin Mass Community to have the Latin Mass at his church. Before that for over 8 years we had no parish church to celebrate the Latin Mass. None of the Many Catholic Churches in San Antonio would let of celebrate the Latin Mass in their Church. We had a very small chapel behind an old folks home to celebrate the Latin Mass. The air conditioning was not adequate in the hot San Antonio summer. Also Fr. Kloster our leader who has a great love for the Latin Mass has been banned from celebrating Mass at the diocese chapel that is televised. Also, Fr. Kloster has not been given work as a parish priest. No Catholic parish will take him here.
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The nursing home you mentioned is St.Francis Home, run by a polish order of nuns, The Serafic Franciscan Sisters.I think there is St.Joseph’s Chapel,on Orlando which has the traditional mass,but not many parishes have it as you said if at all.Sorry to hear they are going Father Kloster such a hard time. the archdiocese should go and have a place someone can go to for the latin mass on a permanant basis.
Me, I don’t have to hear latin in the mass, I just like it the old way, like when I was a kid
back in the 1960s before they changed everything around.
 
Brownginger said:
Thank God that the Holy Father has named such a fearless leader to an area in great need of spiritual and liturgical reform!

When will Archbishop Gomez be elevated (is that the proper term?) to Cardinal?
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When Archbishop Dolan came to NY, it was mentioned that it is unusual to have two living Cardinals in the same diocese. In one of the articles about Archbishop Gomez’s move (sorry, I don’t remember which one) it mentioned that there is a restriction on two papal electors from the same see. Either way, Cardinal Mahoney will be a papal elector until he turns 80. I would expect that it would be unlikely for Archbishop Gomez to become a Cardinal before that (2016).
 
bkovacs said:
Good Buy Liturgical Dance and Incense Bowls!!. 😃

Now LA Archdiocese will see a proper liturgy, with a proper incenser. The one that swings from a chain and held by an altar boy or deacon!.
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For those who have actually attended the Mass at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles (as opposed to watching Youtube clips) you would know they use an amazing censer (BIG, with chains) during the Mass.
 
Corki said:
When Archbishop Dolan came to NY, it was mentioned that it is unusual to have two living Cardinals in the same diocese. In one of the articles about Archbishop Gomez’s move (sorry, I don’t remember which one) it mentioned that there is a restriction on two papal electors from the same see. Either way, Cardinal Mahoney will be a papal elector until he turns 80. I would expect that it would be unlikely for Archbishop Gomez to become a Cardinal before that (2016).
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Gomez will become a cardinal WELL before 2016. While I think there is a level of glamor that comes with NYC, Los Angeles is the heart of Catholicism in the USA and it’s going to be headed-up by a cardinal. 2013 at the latest.
 
HollyDolly said:
I think a Polka mass means they use accordions to play hymns on, similar to when at a mariachi mass they use guitars,etc.to play hymns.
Nobody dances the polka during mass. Don’t know if in Germany they do something similar to a polka mass. Never heard my dad’s relatives mention it.Course I’ve never been to Bavaria where they are from,so it might just be the regular latin mass ,or was in the old days.
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Precisely! Some people seem to be trying to make mountains out of molehills.
 
Diamantina said:
I agree that it is a happy day for the LA Archdiocese, where I live. I think Archbishop Gomez, from what I have read, will be very favorable to the Anglican Use and a possible ordinariate (and, on a more personal level, to my possible vocation as a consecrated virgin living in the world: my pastor has been discouraging me from pursuing the vocation so far because Cardinal Mahony is not interested in it).

However, Barb, there are some good, small-o orthodox lectures at the Religious Education Congress (I’ve been attending it every year for the past five years): just a few lectures and some liturgies are objectionable. It would be nice to have more orthodox speakers at Congress and more traditional liturgies (even though I commute to Congress from home and usually leave when the lectures end in the late afternoon, I might stay more often if the liturgies were less, uh, innovative :rolleyes:).
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Yes there are! And people who judge the entire conference by that youtubed “Mass” really don’t have a clue about it.

If I were ABp. Gomez I would use that conference as one tool to implement reform. I would send my crew from the cathedral down to coordinate the entire Mass. They do an awesome job as is and it would send a huge message while also being a great teaching moment.
 
Brownginger said:
Thank God that the Holy Father has named such a fearless leader to an area in great need of spiritual and liturgical reform!

When will Archbishop Gomez be elevated (is that the proper term?) to Cardinal?
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It sad how some judge the entire Archdiocese of Los Angeles based on a few youtube clips.

The archdiocese is HUGE. Just exactly why do you think it needs “spiritual reform?” That’s not only wrong it’s fairly insulting.

Why do you think it need “liturgical reform?” There are a huge number of very reverent and orthodox Masses celebrated each day within the diocese.
 
ChurchTorch I attended a “Catholic” college in Los Angeles were I met sisters who were clearly liberation theologists including one who taught in her class that it was acceptable to refer to God as “She” and say “Our Mother.” I very nearly lost my faith because of that experience.
 
ALLGIRLS said:
I’m incredibly happy for L.A., but, unfortunately, in my experience a good, orthodox Archbishop doesn’t mean the end of liturgical dancing. Here in St. Louis we’ve had Raymond Burke and now Robert Carlson, and we are still having to put up w/ liturgical dancing. :mad: At my parish they’ve renamed it “Ministry of danced prayer” :rolleyes: and it was being restricted to just the processional and recessional, but they’ve gotten bold again and are back at it during the Alleluia and Gloria as well. Luckily, it’s only a few times a year. My guess is that the Archbishop has “bigger fish to fry” and the liturgical abuses get placed on the back burner to be dealt with at a later time?

In Christ,

Ellen
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I would not say that necessarily. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the most important act that we do as the Church. It is supposed to be the source and summit of the life of the Church. You get that wrong and everything else is meaningless.

Inasmuch as I wished he could have gotten rid of the mariachis (I would like to see them make a permanent exit from our cathedral), the bigger problems are in LA, where abuses at the Congress have spread to other parts of the country like cancer.
 
ChurchTorch said:
Precisely! Some people seem to be trying to make mountains out of molehills.
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This is correct. I have heard several kinds of music in Masses from 16th and 17th century Italian, chants (Gregorian and otherwise); hymns from a large variety of composers as in the hymnals, polka, and jazz. I have heard brass choirs, choirs, violins, trumpets, organs, pianos and guitars. This is no big deal. Music is a universal language and there is no harm in using styles that appeal to the people in the pews. (Note I say styles as there are various pieces of music that should not be played in any church setting.)
 
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