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Doesn’t it say somewhere in the Old Testament that David danced before the Lord? Do you think that this made God angry?
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palmas85
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Just in case no one has noticed our good friend Eilish Maura is very vocal in defense of just about anything progressive and equally dismissive of just about anything traditional. Having been on this forum for a while now, I’ve seen posters come and go from both sides of the spectrum.
As far as I can see Elish is interested in basically one thing, arguing with conservatives about just about anything. Which is all well and good, however, a careful reading of the posts shows a few things. mainly that the arguments are totally circular and always end up where they started. No matter what is presented, it really makes no difference. Elish is always correct and we, the conservatives, are wrong 100% of the time.
Just my opinion.
As far as I can see Elish is interested in basically one thing, arguing with conservatives about just about anything. Which is all well and good, however, a careful reading of the posts shows a few things. mainly that the arguments are totally circular and always end up where they started. No matter what is presented, it really makes no difference. Elish is always correct and we, the conservatives, are wrong 100% of the time.
Just my opinion.
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Miles_Mariae
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I’m trying to be more charitable in responding to that user, but sometimes it’s easier to just point out the weak logic and move on.
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palmas85
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Maybe you’re right. It feels at times as if you are arguing with a ten year old.
Maybe we are.
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wanner47
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Why are you asking the Pope to “get rid of” dancing at the Mass? It’d be like asking our federal government to make stealing illegal. 
Dancing at the Mass is NOT allowed. I think a more accurate way to make your request would be, “Pope Benedict, please enforce the rules about no dancing at the Mass!” or something similar.
However, please remember that Pope Benedict, while an extraordinary man, isn’t omniscient, nor is he omnipresent.
I’m sure that this “dancing” at the Mass was not sanctioned by BXVI or even the bishop of that particular diocese (at least, I certainly hope not).
It’s a bit unfair to expect the Pope to bring the smackdown on things like this right away when he probably doesn’t hear about them until weeks, if not months, after the fact.
I also think that services like this one are the exception as opposed to the rule. I don’t think every mass in every diocese in all the world has liturgical dance as a regular occurrence, so it probably doesn’t ping the Vatican radar as it does on these forums – BXVI has a lot on his plate!!
Dancing at the Mass is NOT allowed. I think a more accurate way to make your request would be, “Pope Benedict, please enforce the rules about no dancing at the Mass!” or something similar.
However, please remember that Pope Benedict, while an extraordinary man, isn’t omniscient, nor is he omnipresent.
I’m sure that this “dancing” at the Mass was not sanctioned by BXVI or even the bishop of that particular diocese (at least, I certainly hope not).It’s a bit unfair to expect the Pope to bring the smackdown on things like this right away when he probably doesn’t hear about them until weeks, if not months, after the fact.
I also think that services like this one are the exception as opposed to the rule. I don’t think every mass in every diocese in all the world has liturgical dance as a regular occurrence, so it probably doesn’t ping the Vatican radar as it does on these forums – BXVI has a lot on his plate!!
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CradleCath
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And I run into you on yet** another **thread calling for a turning away from liturgical abuse & a return to Traditional Catholicism. Again I ask, ARE YOU FOR REAL???
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teadough
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I am asuming by the “scouting is youth ministry” sign that he/she is a youth scout of some sorts.
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brotherhrolf
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Having had to endure liturgical dance at several diocesan Masses over the years, I guess I was hallucinating and didn’t really see the diaphonous gowns and the wafting bowls of incense. 
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THurifer2
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My question is I wonder what movitivates this person to come on the Traditional Catholicism forum?
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CradleCath
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You forgot the scarves. I’m sure that you didn’t see them either, though the “dancers” that you somehow hallucinated about really LOVE scarves. Imaginery scarves, of course.Having had to endure liturgical dance at several diocesan Masses over the years, I guess I was hallucinating and didn’t really see the diaphonous gowns and the wafting bowls of incense.
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brotherhrolf
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Scarves? Oh! You mean the wings that were attached to their wrists - never saw ‘em. Nor did I see the 12’ high maypoles with ribbons attached to them.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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It does appear that this dancing took place during the Mass. What we do not know is the time frame of when during th Mass. If it was during the Eucharist Liturgy then we may have a problem. If in between the Liturgy of the Word and Eucharist Liturgy ( like right after the Homily ) then may not. I may also have been Just before the dismissal. While I do not think I would like to see it in my parish that does not make it wrong.
From New American Bible 2 Samuel 6 vs 16
From New American Bible 2 Samuel 6 vs 16
From that passage I do not see that God has problem with dancing in his presences.
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puzzleannie
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this same link gets posted every few months
no one ever provides a reliable source
no one ever provides proof this is a tape of something happening during a Catholic Mass (not any other denomination), or that it is a recent event
every thread on this topic degenerates into the type of name-calling and squabbling that would have me smacking my kids and sending them to bed w/o supper
I am sure the squabbles make Satan very happy, good work guys.
What do you suggest the Pope do about it, even if it happened this Sunday in a Catholic Mass? they are already disregarding the rubrics, should they be
a)burnt at the stake
b)excommunicated
c)forced to watch Mother Angelica Live re-runs for a penance until they “get it”
d)forced to attend a good dance academy so they learn what real dancing consists of
e)appear on TLC’s “What Not To Wear” and forced to look at themselves in the 360 mirror so they can see how bad they look in the 'tards
no one ever provides a reliable source
no one ever provides proof this is a tape of something happening during a Catholic Mass (not any other denomination), or that it is a recent event
every thread on this topic degenerates into the type of name-calling and squabbling that would have me smacking my kids and sending them to bed w/o supper
I am sure the squabbles make Satan very happy, good work guys.
What do you suggest the Pope do about it, even if it happened this Sunday in a Catholic Mass? they are already disregarding the rubrics, should they be
a)burnt at the stake
b)excommunicated
c)forced to watch Mother Angelica Live re-runs for a penance until they “get it”
d)forced to attend a good dance academy so they learn what real dancing consists of
e)appear on TLC’s “What Not To Wear” and forced to look at themselves in the 360 mirror so they can see how bad they look in the 'tards
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Ceil-1
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Forced watching of Mother Angelica reruns would be penance for the Traditionalists.
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brotherhrolf
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Annie - I can only tell you that I have witnessed this with my “mark one eyeballs” as a member of a cathedral choir. I am not exaggerating the Cecil B. deMille diaphonous gowns, the extended arms of the dancers with bowls full of burning incense, or the twelve foot maypoles with ribbons. I no longer sing for diocesan Masses precisely because of this. It is not a norm in my cathedral parish (where you are more likely to hear chant or sacred motets). All of these “dances” have occured during Mass either during the Entrance Antiphon or during the Offertory. I give you my solemn assurance that what I saw is precisely what I saw…on three separate ocassions before I had my fill and said “enough”. I have no need to exaggerate. My “yes” is my “yes” and my “no” is my no".
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brotherhrolf
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I watch Mother Angelica reruns and it is not penance to me. Perhaps some of us might find the reruns of Bishop Sheen on EWTN on Friday nights to be englightening.
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puzzleannie
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well no, it wouldn’t be to you, but I hope it would have the Rockettes writhing in agony
I am not questioning what you personally have witnessed
I am questioning the motives of people who repeatedly post the same link without documentation of time, place, and context, and even more, I am questioning the motives of those who use this thread as a venue to play out their childish mutual recriminations and name-calling. This behavior would not be tolerated on any well regulated playground, it should not be tolerated here.
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brotherhrolf
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OK I see your point about piling on. Or put up or shut up. On the other hand “the beast is out there”. There is a place for “authentic” liturgical dance in HMC. Unfortunately it does not belong to western cultures. Realistically, I would not like to see an Irish step dance Mass because it would be a travesty. Likewise I would not want to see Missa Chank-a-Chank for the Cajuns since it too would be a travesty. And that polka Mass I’ve seen on You Tube - no.On the other hand, I am old enough to remember the release of Missa Luba - which was wonderful. I’ve sung at ordinations for some of our Vietnamese priests in which their parish choir sang and danced (dance is really not the appropriate word, um liturgical movement? - and it was wonderful. I’ve seen Masses on TV from the Cathedral in San Antonio which were wonderful. Western European liturgical dance has no context within Western European liturgical practices. And I have to draw the line at that.
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I remember attending a mass where girls in tights and see-through skirts danced around the altar. It was quite a sad spectacle and not the appropriate place at all.
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