Pope Benedict: They banned my books

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Because I know many people who work in and for the Church, especially in vocations and in academia, including a few Bishops whom I have spoke very candidly about these things with. It wasn’t just the reading of books that puts people on the radar. In fact, that is so simplistic, it is almost laughable.
 
Cathoholic . . .

How do you know OVER the Pope?

CilladeRoma’s reply? . . .
It wasn’t just the reading of books that puts people on the radar. In fact, that is so simplistic, it is almost laughable.
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Well I will mention that to Pope E. Benedict if we are ever sitting down for coffee together. I’ll explain to him that was too simplistic, “almost laughable” and how CilladeRoma actually knew better or at least more.
 
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It’s not just me who thinks this way about. Benedict’s essay.
I am in very good company in my opinions.
 
CilladeRoma . . .
It’s not just me who thinks this way about. Benedict’s essay.
I am in very good company in my opinions.
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Whatever.
 
Read the explanation. Interesting, in that it could be damage control rather than a completely believable explanation.

View the video.

Lombardi claims…

“The Pope was gesturing with his hand to each member of the entourage, who greeted the President,” Fr. Lombardi said. “The Pope does not expect the members of his entourage, who travel with him, to extend their hands to him on that occasion.”

If the Pope did not “expect the members of entourage” to extend their hand to him, why did he clearly extend his hand to them and was left being ignored?

The “gesturing” reason, while possible, isn’t completely convincing because the Pope was behind 2-3 individuals currently greeting the President while supposedly “gesturing.” The responses in the line are inconsistent, which is why the “reasoning” needs to be looked into more carefully.

I wouldn’t say the claims have been “debunked,” exactly. Looking into who did or did not shake hands and their relationships to Pope Benedict would provide a more thorough and reliable explanation.
 
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CilladeRoma said:
It is despicable that you would link to such an inflammatory video, especially when this has been debunked. 😡😡
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I suppose my willingness to accept the “inflammatory” version of the video deserves a rebuke and I am perfectly willing to reconsider.

However, to call my actions “despicable” is to presume something about my motives. You may want to reconsider that characterization.

One of the comments to the Lawlor article observed the following…

The problem with the video is that the “shun theory” is actually so believable when considering the open dissent that has been evident for years.

Among the number of liberal Catholics in my area, there had been open and consistent criticism of Pope Benedict, such that the shunning version would have been completely believable. That reflected the vitriolic attitude of numerous liberal Catholics here. The current criticism of Pope Francis from the other side is very tame in comparison. I rarely see personal attacks on him the way I witnessed on Pope Benedict.
 
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Thats funny, because my experience is the exact opposite.

When Benedict was Pope, I never heard the statements that he was a heretic, an anti-Pope or any of the other insults that have been hurled at Pope Francis.

I knew many who did not agree with him, but none who disrepected him on the level that I see now.
 
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Maybe because unlike Francis, Benedict did not make numerous statements that to many Catholics sound contrary to church teaching. Francis’ disdain for what he call traditional Catholics, those who wish to follow church teaching, is particularly disturbing.
 
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Francis has done none of the sort.
Nothing he has said or done is contrary to Catholic teaching.
 
CilladeRoma . . .
When Benedict was Pope I never heard, . . . any of the other insults . . .
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How about now?

Does anybody you know, refer to any of Pope E Benedict’s statements as “almost laughable”?
 
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Maybe he wasn’t as intimate with the finer points of the initiation of young seminarians as you seem to be. Reading his books could have raised a red flag, but actually taking to heart what he had to say in those books was probably the real stumbling block.
Oh, yes. We have been hearing a lot lately about those seminary “variables” and “rites of initiation” that you are referring to. You are right about Benedict’s naivete when it came to those practices.
 
I too have enormous respect for the Holy Father Emeritus, especially for his intellect.

But… he is infallible in faith and morals, not in letter writing on the abuse scandal, and there is nothing wrong with being against what he wrote or his judgment in writing it or making it public. As it happens, having read the letter, some things I agree with, some I do not. I’m also inclined to cut him considerable slack by virtue of his venerable age. But that doesn’t mean I’ll agree with everything he says.
 
OraLabora (on Pope E Benedict XVI) . . . .
But… he is . . . not (infallible) in letter writing on the abuse scandal . . .
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Parenthetical addition mine for context.

WHO OraLabora, do you think IS infallible “in letter writing on the abuse scandal”?
 
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Nobody, AFAIK, has made an ex-cathedra statement on the scandal.

My point is that he could very well be wrong on this. Or he may be right. Or both. We can debate it without disrespect.
 
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OraLabora . . . .
Nobody, AFAIK, has made an ex-cathedra statement on the scandal.
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Then WHY did you even bring up the ex-cathedra point with relation to Pope Benedict XVI?

There is no “disrespect” here on this thread about Popes
except for the line about Pope Benedict’s statement being “almost laughable”.

I just want to be catechetically clear here for lurkers.

The Popes can ONLY speak ex-cathedra about faith and morals that are transmitted from Jesus and the Apostles. They must make it manifestly clear they are speaking in such an authoritative manner too.
 
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HarryStotle.

Thank you for posting that!

“Debunked” nothing. I saw what I saw.

Clearly dissing Pope Benedict.

Wow! I never saw this before. Again. Many thanks for posting.
 
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