Pope Benedict XVI strongly rebukes Pelosi over abortion

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Vatican City, Feb 18, 2009 / 10:18 am (CNA).- House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s photo-op with Pope Benedict XVI turned sour when the Pontiff used the 15-minute meeting to reaffirm the teachings of the Catholic Church on the right to life and the duty to protect the unborn.

No photo of Nancy Pelosi and the Pope will be forthcoming, since the meeting was closed to reporters and photographers. The two met in a small room in the Vatican just after the Pope’s weekly public audience.

Immediately after the meeting, the Holy See’s press office released a statement saying, “following the general audience the Holy Father briefly greeted Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, together with her entourage.”

“His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church’s consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoin all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in co-operation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development.”

A significant number of Catholic and pro-life organizations expressed concern over how Pelosi would use the meeting with Pope Benedict to further her position that it is possible to be Catholic and pro-abortion.

Last August, Pelosi was rebuked by several U.S. bishops for attempting to theologically justify her position during an interview with “Meet the Press.”

On Tuesday, Jon O’Brien, president of “Catholics for Choice,” a small, well-funded organization that provides theological arguments to pro-abortion Catholic politicians, told The Hill that today’s visit between the Speaker and Pope Benedict would be an opportunity to highlight that one can be pro-choice and Catholic, and that there are much bigger issues out there to discuss, such as the fate of the poor in the global economic downturn.

“That would be a real conversation about choice, instead of this micro-obsession with abortion,” O’Brien said.

Nevertheless, according to the Holy See’s statement, the Pope spent the whole 15 minute conversation talking with Pelosi about the right to life and the need to defend the unborn.

A spokesman for Pelosi, who is now headed to Southern Italy as part of her Italian tour, said she would issue a statement later in the day regarding her meeting with the Pope.

(Source)
 
It looks like he took right over and controlled the situation, which I would expect. I’m glad that the Vatican released the statement so quickly and left no room to doubt what the short conversation was about.

And she couldn’t even come up with anything good as to what they spoke of, she apparently brought along pictures of her family, woo hoo. Was she that unprepared, did she really think that he would let her slide like that?
 
I’m not so sure if I’d use the term “rebuke”, but based on the statement from the Vatican, I’d definately call it bleak. That sounded like a pretty cold meeting between the two.
 
I hate to pour cold water on the celebration of Pelosi’s “rebuke”, but I seem to recall a stern letter from Cardinal Egan a few months ago, and letters from her own archbishop.

Now the pope lectures on morals and the church’s position on life.

When will someone step to the plate, tell her she is a public scandal to the church, and EXCOMMUNICATE HER?

THAT would be a statement!

Will no one rid us of this meddlesome congresswoman?
 
I hate to pour cold water on the celebration of Pelosi’s “rebuke”, but I seem to recall a stern letter from Cardinal Egan a few months ago, and letters from her own archbishop.

Now the pope lectures on morals and the church’s position on life.

When will someone step to the plate, tell her she is a public scandal to the church, and EXCOMMUNICATE HER?

THAT would be a statement!

Will no one rid us of this meddlesome congresswoman?
I guess the person who would be the one to do that doesn’t think it would be appropriate. Do you disagree with your own pope?
 
I guess the person who would be the one to do that doesn’t think it would be appropriate. Do you disagree with your own pope?
Absolutely, everyone else does, including (but not limited to) American bishops, French Cardinals, German Bishops, Nancy Pelosi, 100 members of the US Congress…

Why not me? He’s not perfect, just infallible when he speaks ex-cathedra.
 
I will pray for her. I once believed as she does. It takes a while for the scales to come off the eyes and the heart, but if God can work that miracle for me, than what more can He do for Ms. Pelosi after meeting His Holiness. May God have mercy on her.
 
I believe this is the start of the process of denial of Communion to these pro-choice political types. As a Head of State Papa B could not excommunicate but he could and did teach & rebuke.

I would love to read the correspondence between Papa B and Ms Pelosi’s home bishop and the bishop at the church she attends in DC.
 
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting. I am glad that Pope Benedict XVI gave her a :nunchuk: :blackeye: . Let’s see what happens now. Will she spin this and what will her home bishop do now?
 
I guess the person who would be the one to do that doesn’t think it would be appropriate. Do you disagree with your own pope?
Public excommunications as such are far and few between, even in extreme situations. Even if there were to be an excommunication it would be a long long process given how long it takes to get anything done in the Catholic Church.
 
God bless the Holy Father for saying what needs to be said. He’s definitely the “Watchdog” of the Church. 🙂

I think that Ms. Pelosi, and really all Catholics in the political limelight, need our prayers. Think of what an impact they could have if they would stand up for Christ and His Church on the job!
 
Wow, I don’t know who wrote that headline for CNA, but it sure looks like spin to me.

Did the Pope strongly rebuke Pelosi? None of the quotes of the press release indicate that. Rather, the release merely states that the Pope spoke of the obligation of Catholic legislators to protect human life at all stages of its development. He reiterated the Church’s consistent teaching… but there was no mention of a rebuke (let alone a strong rebuke) in either the quotes mentioned in the CNA article or in the Zenit article.
Permalink: zenit.org/article-25128?l=english

I haven’t seen the Vatican’s press release. If someone has a link, I would appreciate reading it.
 
Wow, I don’t know who wrote that headline for CNA, but it sure looks like spin to me.

Did the Pope strongly rebuke Pelosi? None of the quotes of the press release indicate that. Rather, the release merely states that the Pope spoke of the obligation of Catholic legislators to protect human life at all stages of its development. He reiterated the Church’s consistent teaching… but there was no mention of a rebuke (let alone a strong rebuke) in either the quotes mentioned in the CNA article or in the Zenit article.
Permalink: zenit.org/article-25128?l=english

I haven’t seen the Vatican’s press release. If someone has a link, I would appreciate reading it.
I read it and it doesn’t actually say Pelosi is doing anything wrong. It speaks of general obligations of all kinds of people, including judges and ordinary people as well as legislators. Pelosi met with her bishop recently. It took some time for Pelosi to make time for the bishop since as Speaker you can imagine she is a busy woman. I am glad she made time to meet with the pope; I’m sure it was a source of blessing and honor for both her and for the pope.

This is just my speculation, but maybe after Pelosi chatted with her bishop, the bishop encouraged her to talk about the issue further with the pope and so maybe Pelosi brought it as well as other things up with the pope. Instead of knocking her, we of all faiths should be giving her our full support. All our leaders deserve our full support.
 
Could someone fill me in on what’s “to discuss”? Abortion is a grave sin. I wasn’t aware of those being negotiable.

When the Speaker of the House traipses over to Rome, at some taxpayer expense no doubt, and gains audience with the Pope and the Vatican allows no pictures and very quickly releases a statement making it clear that the Pope got right to the point, in private, she got a rebuke.

The headline is right on target.
 
I read it and it doesn’t actually say Pelosi is doing anything wrong. It speaks of general obligations of all kinds of people, including judges and ordinary people as well as legislators. Pelosi met with her bishop recently. It took some time for Pelosi to make time for the bishop since as Speaker you can imagine she is a busy woman. I am glad she made time to meet with the pope; I’m sure it was a source of blessing and honor for both her and for the pope.

This is just my speculation, but maybe after Pelosi chatted with her bishop, the bishop encouraged her to talk about the issue further with the pope and so maybe Pelosi brought it as well as other things up with the pope. Instead of knocking her, we of all faiths should be giving her our full support. All our leaders deserve our full support.
I don’t know what religion apophatism is but I sincerely hope you didn’t come to CAF to proselytize us to it. As Catholics we regard abortion as murder and those who support abortion as cooperating in that murder. Furthermore some of us don’t appreciate your mischaracterizations of “knocking her”. Perhaps you should think about that before you presume to teach to us about our civic and moral responsibility.
 
Furthermore some of us don’t appreciate your mischaracterizations of “knocking her”.
I didn’t mean the Vatican was knocking her, I meant that some people here were. I don’t think the Vatican knocked her at all. If you aren’t knocking her, great!
 
I didn’t mean the Vatican was knocking her, I meant that some people here were. I don’t think the Vatican knocked her at all. If you aren’t knocking her, great!
And she should and have the right to knock her. She is on the wrong side of the issue. In addition, her and other Catholic “pro choice” legislators, doctors, nurses, lobbyists and others should be sanctioned (including Excommunication in some cases) by the Church such an abhorrent position.
 
the Vatican allows no pictures and very quickly releases a statement making it clear that the Pope got right to the point, in private, she got a rebuke.
Rebuke:
1 a: to criticize sharply : reprimand b: to serve as a rebuke to
2: to turn back or keep down : check
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rebuke

Please provide a quote from the Vatican’s statement (or the CNA article) which indicates that Pelosi was rebuked.
 
Now if only Pelosi recognizes the grave sin she is committing every day until she changes her stance on this very important issue of life.

Her soul depends on it.
 
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