B
- Status
B
bellesjoy
Guest
For heaven’s sake! Some people will go to the end of the earth to keep from sullying this queen of murder of innocents!
As a Catholic I know that our Holy Father is first and always a shepard and as such he will always deal with anyone before him in a gentle, compassionate and pastoral manner. That is done by teaching and pointing out error in one’s actions.
Everything he is quoted as saying in the above article about obligations of public officials is the exact opposite of what she has done and continues to do publicly. That is certainly (coming from this loving man) a not so gentle reminder of what it is that she is doing wrong and what should be done to change her behavior. In that alone he is asking her to “turn back” from her sins to the practice of the Catholic faith. You or news headlines can call it anything you like. The facts of her sins are public. He was tasteful enough to allow her some privacy in his corrections.
Most Catholics are further aware that photos w/the Pope are prized by all politicians(and others). To deny this to her is a statement in itself of his disapproval of her promotion and support of abortion and the rediculous statements she made in interviews last year.
She is so full of pride that she couldn’t even honestly report in her press release what he took the time to say to her. She was more focused on what she told him! How sad.
E
edjco
Guest
Well done, bellsjoy.
And may I add: Would Pelosi have met with the Pope if he were merely the head of state of some small country? Let’s get real, she met with him specifically because he is the head of the Catholic Church, of which she claims to be a member, and I’d bet she met with him for her own PR reasons.
Let’s not forget, you can’t be Catholic and go against Catholic doctrine.
You either is, or you isn’t…
And may I add: Would Pelosi have met with the Pope if he were merely the head of state of some small country? Let’s get real, she met with him specifically because he is the head of the Catholic Church, of which she claims to be a member, and I’d bet she met with him for her own PR reasons.
Let’s not forget, you can’t be Catholic and go against Catholic doctrine.
You either is, or you isn’t…
G
Gerry_Hunter
Guest
I’m not going to get all pedantic over the work “rebuke”. But there’s more than one way to send a message of formal disapproval.
Expectation: Photographs; a statement in diplomatic language outlining the solidarity of the meeting participants on the points discussed; acknowledgment of the good points and accomplishments of the person received, and the gladness of the Holy Father in receiving them.
Delivered: Documentation of a Catechism lesson, and nothing else.
As a pastor, even the Holy Father can only go so far. Consider: Someone has sinned in a manner that prompts, say, the Parish Priest to have a wee chat with them about their behaviour. Does the Parish Priest then call a press conference and detail the particulars of the pastoral counseling session?
Nancy went to that meeting with undoubted expectations of being received in a manner consistent with that of other high secular officials. Remember when we were kids at Christmas time? In going to the meeting, she hung up her stocking, as it were, with certain expectations. Nancy didn’t get candy canes in her stocking; she got a lump of coal. Given the circumstances, her position, and the norms of such meetings, I can see a good argument for using the word “rebuke”, even if the strict sense of a dictionary definition is not fulfilled.
Blessings,
Gerry
Expectation: Photographs; a statement in diplomatic language outlining the solidarity of the meeting participants on the points discussed; acknowledgment of the good points and accomplishments of the person received, and the gladness of the Holy Father in receiving them.
Delivered: Documentation of a Catechism lesson, and nothing else.
As a pastor, even the Holy Father can only go so far. Consider: Someone has sinned in a manner that prompts, say, the Parish Priest to have a wee chat with them about their behaviour. Does the Parish Priest then call a press conference and detail the particulars of the pastoral counseling session?
Nancy went to that meeting with undoubted expectations of being received in a manner consistent with that of other high secular officials. Remember when we were kids at Christmas time? In going to the meeting, she hung up her stocking, as it were, with certain expectations. Nancy didn’t get candy canes in her stocking; she got a lump of coal. Given the circumstances, her position, and the norms of such meetings, I can see a good argument for using the word “rebuke”, even if the strict sense of a dictionary definition is not fulfilled.
Blessings,
Gerry
E
estesbob
Guest
I think the biggest rebuke was the fact the Pope allowed no photos to be taken of the meeting. It is rare for someone to meet with the Pope and not have their picture taken
A
averheyen
Guest
I’m just worried that people are reading a little more into it than there actually is, that’s all.
R
redrosetea
Guest
I wish you were her bishop!!!..She needs a kick into touch with reality
E
estesbob
Guest
I think people are seeing it for exactly what it was-a stern rebuke of a woman who claims to be an ardent Catholic who supports the killing of the unborn.
K
KathleenElsie
Guest
My daughter said they had to go the the gift shoppe to purchase one.
V
vs_trumpet
Guest
would it be insulting if the U.S. President made time for the pope? The Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives is the leader of the Congress and head of the People’s Branch of Government and is on equal footing with the U.S. President. She is more busy than the pope. What I read about the previous pope was that he had time to pray lots, meditate lots, walk (when he was healthy) as he prayed, etc. When he was more healthy he also did a lot of sports and had a swimming pool built.
You don’t think it’d be an honor for the pope to meet anyone? I said it was an honor for both the Speaker and for the pope.
What I like about the current U.S. President is that he wears the mantle of the Presidency lightly, sometimes seen in casual wear, even in the Oval Office. He is a model of humility. I hope that if he has time, he has a chance to chat more with the pope as well, and that they can both learn from each other.
Speaker Pelosi probably chose not to release any pictures and asked the Vatican to not release any b/c she was intimidated by all the criticism that she was going for a “photo op.” She already has pictures from a previous meeting with the pope from years back. She kept these pictures all these years (almost 60 years? … I didn’t know she was that old). So this is a personal thing for her. She is an “ardent” Catholic and as that other thread says (some Catholic university president was it? who said this) pro-life is not an infallible teaching and this Vatican press statement doesn’t say it is so I think she’s in the clear.
But she and her bishop are planning on meeting a second time. If she was not sincere, why would she meet her bishop a second time? And why would she have kept her first meeting so quiet?
And she was not spinning the meeting. People already knew about the other part of the meeting since that was announced by the Vatican press office. She was just adding to that and emphasizing the positive and what she personally got out of the meeting.
M
mom4truth
Guest
All I have to say is she is a total scandal to the Catholic Church, along with all the other politicians who are pro-life. It’s disgusting and disheartening, to say the least.
J
JimR-OCDS
Guest
I wonder if the Pope would allow anyone to hear their conversation, never mind take photos.
Wasn’t this a confidential meeting between Mrs Pelosi and the Pope?
What if the Pope heard her confession and now the Vatican is stating what they talked about. Can you imagine the scandal?
Jim
R
redrosetea
Guest
I wouldn’t go across the street to see Pelosi…The Pope meets famous people all the time…I doubt he was impressed with the ilk of that tiresome old woman
He is probably impressed with those that have the moral courage to defend our faith and the lives of the innocent
He is probably impressed with those that have the moral courage to defend our faith and the lives of the innocent
S
SpiritMeadow
Guest
I was being a bit fascious. Some here use the Pope to bolster their argument, but then criticize him for not being conservative enough on other issues. The constant theme at CAF is to get rid of those who don’t believe as they do, for they are of course right, because they believe they are.
I don’t believe in changing people by rejecting them. But it’s your church not mine.
E
estesbob
Guest
For a person who just recently left the church you sure do spend a lot of time hanging around here telling us what a great decision you made and crtiticiizing those of us who remianed. I guess it’s good you found a church that agrees with your politics but I still think the best thing for a person to do is let their faith form their politics rather than the other way around
S
SpiritMeadow
Guest
So I guess that Catholic politicians stand in a different place than other nonRoman Catholic politicians? They must represent the catholic Church rather than their constituents? Since the majority of the American public supports the right to choose, you are saying that Pelosi cannot represent those citizens but must adhere to your church’s position? Does not this mean that contrary to JFK, Roman Catholic politicians do get their orders from Rome? I would hate to see fine Roman catholic politicians being denied the right to run for office because they cannot morally fullfill their duties. This would be a violation of the non-establishment clause in my opinion.
E
estesbob
Guest
They should not hold themselves out as Catholics when they reject basic tenets of the faith. They would better off finding a denomination that is more felxible about not letting ones faith interfere with their politics.
I’m at a loss as to why a Roman Catholic politician would be denied the right to run for office because of their faith. Could you expound on that?
it really is that simplet
R
redrosetea
Guest
They can’t condone murder…We all answer to a higher power ,Thou shall not kill is a commandment, not a suggestion
You can’t leave your faith at home , and pull it out for an hour on Sunday…It doesn’t work like that
You can’t leave your faith at home , and pull it out for an hour on Sunday…It doesn’t work like that
M
mark_a
Guest
Has Rep. Pelosi released her statement yet?
E
estesbob
Guest
Probably something along the line of “how many votes does the Vatican have”
- Status