Pope Benedict XVI 'to resign'

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To further complicate matters, Pope Paul VI explicitly stated that Humanae Vitae was not an infallible teaching. Even further here’s Pope Benedict XVI … “Above the pope as an expression of the binding claim of church authority,” writes Ratzinger, “stands one’s own conscience, which has to be obeyed first of all, if need be against the demands of church authority.”
That quote sounds a bit taken out of context. The Holy Father was writing in relation to Church teaching that causes us to sin. What he means is that although we must listen to the teachings of the Church, if it causes us to sin (such as contradicting the ten commandments) and therefore violate our own conscience, we are not bound to obey.

Also, even though such teaching may not be infallible, we are not the ones with the authority to declare it wrong. Until such a time that it is - or ever will be - corrected, we go by the teachings of the Church. 🙂
 
here’s Pope Benedict XVI … “Above the pope as an expression of the binding claim of church authority,” writes Ratzinger, “stands one’s own conscience, which has to be obeyed first of all, if need be against the demands of church authority.”
Oh yes, I remember this well as our own pastor at the time counseled us regarding ABC’s (we can take it or leave it approach to HV) and which now and forever many will twist and use as justification to reject just about anything the Church says that we do not agree on.

The sad facts remain there ***are ***two explicit camps within the Church regarding this. (You may call them what you will) so let’s all just believe whatever our consciences may tell us.
 
Your labeling of Pro Vobis’ distinction was both uncharitable and inaccurate. The Catholic Church is not "liberal" jut because it makes precise distinctions in moral theology, especially in such a changing field of bioethics. Even the openness to the marital act* within marriage* can leave room to space it so that it does not occur during fertile periods. You can read Humanae Vitae from stem to stern and never find that oral contraceptives are intrinsically evil. This has never been Catholic teaching. The Church must make careful distinctions to avoid confusion when circumstance of medical science change.
So let me understand this…the pro-creative powers of the body given to us from all time by our infinitely omniscient God as blessing is now re-defined according to the science of biology.
 
Oh yes, I remember this well as our own pastor at the time counseled us regarding ABC’s (we can take it or leave it approach to HV) and which now and forever many will twist and use as justification to reject just about anything the Church says that we do not agree on.

I’m sorry, (Pro Vobis,) but the sad facts remain there ***are ***two explicit camps within the Church regarding this. (You may call them what you will) so let’s all just believe whatever our consciences may tell us.
 
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The Papa Benedict quote was from a commentary on Gaudium et Spes, where then Fr. Joseph Ratzinger expressed the Church’s understanding of the primacy of conscience – an understanding which he eloquently expressed while serving as Chair of Dogmatic Theology at the University of Tübingen in 1968. There are literally hundreds of quotes out there from JPII and BXVI promoting the primacy of conscience. The kicker is always that the conscience must be informed… and that is a subjective thing.

Relative to the status of the Humanae Vitae encyclical…Msgr Ferdinando Lambruschini was tapped to speak for Paul VI, saying ***“It is not inffallible, but does not leave the questions concerning birth regulation in a condition of vague problematics. The assent of theological faith is due only to the definitions properly so called infallible but there is owed also loyal and full assent, interior and not only exterior to an authentic pronouncement of the magisterium.” ***

…woo-wee does that confuse or what!! At the very least, it speaks to the fact that there was enough doubt in the teaching to have labeled it “not infallible”
 
So let me understand this…the pro-creative powers of the body given to us from all time by our infinitely omniscient God as blessing is now re-defined according to the science of biology.
Of course not. That is not even close to what I said. Yet at least it demonstrates the need for real precision in language.
 
This sounds more like speculation than anything. I am extremely skeptical that they would do such a thing.
Absolutely silly The Cardinals do not dictate to the Pope. And what person would even make that kind of statement not knowing what could happen with health etc. Man, the stories coming out of the media just upset me. The Pope does not answer to the Cardinals, nor can they make any demands upon him.🤷
That is pretty basic. The cardinals will pledge their obedience to the Pope not the other way around:mad:
 
This sounds more like speculation than anything. I am extremely skeptical that they would do such a thing.
Actually, I am too, and further illustrates that the media will go to any length to provoke.
 
[SIGN]It seems like the Canadian Cardinal would be the next pope. He is my pick! I place my bet! 👍[/SIGN]
 
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Traditionalism leads to real Unity:
Benedict XVI was seen as a ‘traditionalist’ by many Eastern Christians, including men such as the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Kirill I. The former Pope was a man with whom many Orthodox leaders (Oriental and Eastern) could work – he was viewed as someone who, like them, took liturgical and moral holiness seriously. He was a Bishop of Rome who stood up to secularism and the madness of modern Western ‘morality’, whilst also promoting beauty and holiness in the Roman Rite.

Soon after Benedict XVI’s resignation, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow sent a telegram to the Pope Emeritus, in which he said:-
We have always held dear your consistent position characterized by uncompromising stand in the questions of faith and commitment to the living church tradition. In an age when the ideology of all-permissiveness and moral relativism tries to force moral values out of people’s life, you boldly raised your voice in the defense [sic] of the Gospel’s ideal, the lofty dignity of human beings and their calling to freedom from sin.

It is with warmth that I remember our meetings before your election to the chair of Rome. In the years of your pontificate, a good development was given to relations between our Churches who bear a great responsibility for common witness to Crucified and Risen Christ in the modern world. I sincerely hope that good and confidential relations established with your active participation will develop under your successor.
Metropolitan Hilarion: For the sake of Unity, the Pope must be a traditionalist

It was also reported (see Rorate Caeli) that Metropolitan Hilarion, who heads the Russian Orthodox Church’s Department for External Church Relations, and who had an excellent working relationship with Benedict XVI, recently gave an interview during which the imminent Conclave was discussed. In that interview, the Metropolitan said that for the sake of Christian unity he hoped that the new Pope would be a “traditionalist”.

Through men like Hilarion and his Patriarch, Kirill, a clear message is being sent to Rome, namely that if the Catholic Church is serious about the reunification of the ancient Churches, then the next Pope must continue the work of Benedict XVI. The next Bishop of Rome must be a promoter and guardian of ‘the splendor of truth and the beauty of holiness’, both in the way the Church preaches the Gospel and worships Almighty God.
 
Unity between Catholic and Orthodox is very far away due to the reluctance of either side to budge on the differences between them.
Pope Benedict’s pontificate saw significant strides in that area as has been commented on by multiple Orthodox Bishops. Future developments in that areas will require a pope who is committed to the Sacred Tradition of the Church, as was noted in the link I posted above, as well as in this news article posted in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=761147

Other than that, a discussion of the relations between Orthodox and Catholics is beyond the scope of this thread and should be taken here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=708380
 
Pope Benedict’s pontificate saw significant strides in that area as has been commented on by multiple Orthodox Bishops. Future developments in that areas will require a pope who is committed to the Sacred Tradition of the Church, as was noted in the link I posted above, as well as in this news article posted in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=761147

Other than that, a discussion of the relations between Orthodox and Catholics is beyond the scope of this thread and should be taken here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=708380
I don;t see any movement or agreement on the role of the papacy in a united Church. But thanks for the link.
 
I don;t see any movement or agreement on the role of the papacy in a united Church.
I didn’t suggest otherwise. I said that relations had improved under Pope Benedict, and they have. I said that an Orthodox Patriarch has stated that further improvements in those relations will be enhanced though the election of a traditional Pope, and he did.
 
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