Pope Benedict XVI 'to resign'

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coachdennis said:
I suspect you are right. Benedict has certainly stacked the deck with cardinals who will make sure the breath of fresh air John XXIII spoke about never happens again
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May I inquire as to what might be considered “fresh air”? :cool:
 
I don’t know what to make of Pope Benedict’s decision to resign. I am trying not to judge.
JP II was so sick and endured so much when he was Pope, but he hung in until the very end of his life.
I work in healthcare and although I don’t know the specifics, having a pacemaker or automatic internal defibrillator placed these days is fairly routine. It is intended to improve the quality of ones health, not slow one down and make one weaker.
I know that Popes have resigned before, but it is not a likely occurrence.
I hear Catholics(and people of all religion) around me talk constantly about," the Pope giving his 2 week notice", like he was an employee in an accounting firm or something.
I do wish B16 all the best. However, something about this just doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t mean to be the voice of doom and gloom, but I feel that there might be some issues that come to the surface in the next few months that do not put the Catholic Church in a very favorable light.
I cringe when I hear my “devout Catholic” patients say things like," Oh, I hope the next Pope isn’t Black or Hispanic". It makes me very sad and troubled to hear these things, as I feel that making statements such as these are exactly what Christ would not want.
Again, I am very conflicted by the whole thing.
God Bless you all.
 
BroomWagon said:
It was just posted a page or two ago and it is authentic, everyone and their uncle knows that.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg
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I believe that it was a sign that there was a thunderstorm in the area.

The Vatican gets hit by lightning from time to time - particularly when there’s an electrical storm (thunderstorms) in the Rome area. That’s why there are lightning rods on the dome. 🙂

GO PBXVI! GO RC!
 
Tigg said:
Please clarify what you are trying to say. At best, this is only a half answer and it would be easy to assume you are stating the Church today does not hold the same teachings as the early Church.
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What about “Orthodox” meaning those eastern churches that split off from the Catholic Church in year 1000?
 
DavidinStLouis said:
May I inquire as to what might be considered “fresh air”? :cool:
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I would guess this post is referring to Lumen Gentium and Gaudum Et Spes and the fact that VII corrected the belief that the Church ‘has God’ to a belief that God has the Church for the People of God to do his work.
 
GWright said:
He personifies the traditional problems with the Bishops of England. UK Catholic Journalists call them “The Magic circle”. Their are known for their desire for a quiet life, their desire to avoid confrontation, their cosy-ness with Anglicans and their terrible habit of equivocation. Scandalously, when Pope Benedict was elected in 2005, his only comment to the press was “Our man was not elected”. Fortunately, recent appointments have been of a much higher and orthodox standard - Bishop Mark Davies etc.
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Same question I had earlier about the use and intended meaning of the word orthodox. What do you mean by using this word? Based on the rest of your note (latin mass), etc. It seems like you are equating it with a perceived higher form of Catholicism…
 
LegoGE1947 said:
What about “Orthodox” meaning those eastern churches that split off from the Catholic Church in year 1000?
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The Orthodox call themselves “catholic” too – meaning universal.

Big O and little o; big C and little c. One is a name, one is an adjective.

I had a professor who didn’t know what he was talking about and called the “Orthodox Catholic,” and didn’t believe me when I tried to correct him.

There are some bodies that do call themselves “Orthodox Catholic,” but they are neither really Orthodox nor Catholic.
 
DavidinStLouis said:
May I inquire as to what might be considered “fresh air”? :cool:
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Joseph Ratzinger was clearly on the “bring on the fresh air” side during VII. I don’t know if you have read some of his theology, but I would really recommend “Principles of Catholic Theology” where he illustrates that he is a firm believer in the VII theological reforms. He’s also a proponent of the Novus Ordo liturgical changes in so much as use of the vernacular in the service and a number of prayer changes… He certainly has pushed to bring more reverence in to liturgy as evident in his recent reforms, but the point is clearly made…so fresh air emanated from this pontiff.

I guess I’m unsure what is behind the “fresh air” comment… maybe enlighten me?
 
DavidinStLouis said:
:whacky: Haha! Quite funny. 🙂

(Of course, for the record though isn’t he too old now? :hmmm: )
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He doesn’t have to accept the job.

Here’s a trivia question: When was the last time a man elected pope turned the job down?

(I don’t actually know whether it’s happened, but I think it’s explicitly codified somewhere that that can be done.)
 
After the Holy Father’s homily on Ash Wednesday and the Master Class on Vatican II, it beggars belief that some Bishops are still not able to grasp what he is saying.
A leading Catholic bishop in Britain has criticised the direction the Vatican took under the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI.
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The Right Rev Kieran Conry, Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, said he had over-centralised the Catholic Church and led it away from some of the reforming ideals of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.
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Bishop Conry specifically highlighted the recent new Mass translation as an initiative from Rome that had had a negative impact on many Catholics in the pews.
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thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3688110.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_02_14
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Yarb said:
He doesn’t have to accept the job.

Here’s a trivia question: When was the last time a man elected pope turned the job down?

(I don’t actually know whether it’s happened, but I think it’s explicitly codified somewhere that that can be done.)
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The events of the conclave are secret on threat of excommmunication so we don’t really know if it has been done, although rumors abound that it has. But yes, it is certainly possible, that is why the Cardinal Dean asks the person that has been elected whether or not they accept before asking them what name they choose to be known by.

God bless.

-Paul
 
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