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GordonP
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Yup! The tin foil hats have been passed out all around!
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stpurl
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in on WHAT?
It does seem as if a lot of people are making all kinds of innuendo and attacks. Which side is doing the attacking?
Look very carefully at Cardinal Sarah. He has plenty of books already out there. Look at how he has responded. Is HE making snide insinuations? Is he anything less than perfectly respectful of his fellows? Does he accuse them of being underhanded?
Let me just say this. A couple of years ago Cardinal Sarah, at the time the head of a fairly ‘big’ office, suggested --SUGGESTED–that his fellow priests might want to consider, as an option, facing ‘ad orientem’. For that he was figuratively thrown to the wolves. Which he accepted, humbly.
Now people are trying to say that somebody who already was treated in such a way for asking (not demanding, not requiring, but simply wanting people to THINK about a POSTURE) was going to be stupid and venal enough to put himself in a far worse position by trying to ‘grab glory’ by LYING about Pope Benedict’s work. Was trying to pass off his own work as Benedict’s, was trying to ‘grab sales’, etc.
No. I’m sorry, but no. Anyone who has read ANYTHING of Cardinal Sarah’s would be astounded to think of him making such a revolting action. And Cardinal Sarah is in a position where he is not, shall we say, surrounded by ‘handlers’ or needing to pick his way carefully in order to stay ‘among the glorious’.
I am not accusing anyone of anything; it is certainly more comforting to think that there were simple misunderstandings somehow, not ‘conspiracies’, not tin foils, not ‘this group is plotting against this other group’, certainly not, "this group is pro Francis and this other anti-Francis’. . .
And somewhere Satan laughs, especially when he has gotten good and loving people to think ill of other good and loving people by playing on their fears and getting them worked up over supposed lies and fights.
It does seem as if a lot of people are making all kinds of innuendo and attacks. Which side is doing the attacking?
Look very carefully at Cardinal Sarah. He has plenty of books already out there. Look at how he has responded. Is HE making snide insinuations? Is he anything less than perfectly respectful of his fellows? Does he accuse them of being underhanded?
Let me just say this. A couple of years ago Cardinal Sarah, at the time the head of a fairly ‘big’ office, suggested --SUGGESTED–that his fellow priests might want to consider, as an option, facing ‘ad orientem’. For that he was figuratively thrown to the wolves. Which he accepted, humbly.
Now people are trying to say that somebody who already was treated in such a way for asking (not demanding, not requiring, but simply wanting people to THINK about a POSTURE) was going to be stupid and venal enough to put himself in a far worse position by trying to ‘grab glory’ by LYING about Pope Benedict’s work. Was trying to pass off his own work as Benedict’s, was trying to ‘grab sales’, etc.
No. I’m sorry, but no. Anyone who has read ANYTHING of Cardinal Sarah’s would be astounded to think of him making such a revolting action. And Cardinal Sarah is in a position where he is not, shall we say, surrounded by ‘handlers’ or needing to pick his way carefully in order to stay ‘among the glorious’.
I am not accusing anyone of anything; it is certainly more comforting to think that there were simple misunderstandings somehow, not ‘conspiracies’, not tin foils, not ‘this group is plotting against this other group’, certainly not, "this group is pro Francis and this other anti-Francis’. . .
And somewhere Satan laughs, especially when he has gotten good and loving people to think ill of other good and loving people by playing on their fears and getting them worked up over supposed lies and fights.
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Weserthy
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I think this is well said - Cardinal Sarah certainly has a right to be upset at all of those in the so-called “Catholic” press that have defamed him throughout this whole incident. It was Austen Ivereigh, Fr. James Martin, Massimo Faggioli, among others who were baselessly suggesting that Cardinal Sarah abused (some literally called it elder abuse) and manipulated Pope Benedict in this. In fact, some still sticking to the line that Pope Benedict was taken advantage of and that the words in the book aren’t really his, even after Cardinal Sarah posted letters from Pope Benedict proving that they did indeed work on the book together. There may be conspiracy theories being thrown around, but it’s not those supporting Cardinal Sarah who have gone hysterical over this whole episode.
For my part I just find it really hard to believe that Cardinal Sarah and Pope Benedict had all of this correspondence, Pope Benedict literally gives him permission to publish the text (see Cardinal Sarah’s letters from Benedict), and through this whole back and forth, Pope Benedict has no clue that it’s going to be published in a book. And then, to top it off, Cardinal Sarah never tells him that he’s going to be listed as a co-author, and on the day the book is announced, is like “surprise, you’re a co-author!” I just don’t buy it. The fact that the request to take the name off came after a couple of days after the media frenzy is also indicative that the move may have been made under pressure. If he really didn’t want his name on the book, why not say right away? It wasn’t until the press ran with the story that “Benedict challenges Francis” for a full couple of days that Pope Benedict supposedly requested his name to be removed.
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AngelaMarie
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Thank you. People need to stop and think.things.thru. And forego emotional knee jerk reactions
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Feanor2
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I think I’ll trust Benedict over lifesite, Father Z, and assuredly ChurchMillitant.
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tafan2
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I agree, but no one has asked Benedict. We do have the some of the written correspondence between Cardinal Sarah and Pope Benedict.
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Feanor2
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We have his personal secretary who speaks for him.
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tafan2
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Yes, but his secretary’s statements seem at odds with the correspondence that Cardinal Sarah released.
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InThePew
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Someone I knew who did a lot of legal work for the UK government was fond of saying “cock up is always more likely than conspiracy” and, when it comes to anything to do with the Church (and especially the Vatican) this is only too true.
As far as the kerfuffle over collaboration goes, LifeSiteNews and Rorate-Coeli can keep their tin hats (as the old saying goes, never let the facts get in the way of a good story). I suspect that this is little more than a miscommunication - Cardinal Sarah and the Pope Emeritus being at cross purposes particularly around “co-authorship” and what that actually means.
Most probably because of their contractual obligations with the original French publisher. Of course, money comes into it too - scrapping a whole pile of books is nobody’s idea of fun; sure it happens from time to time but it’s something most publishers would prefer to avoid.
As far as the kerfuffle over collaboration goes, LifeSiteNews and Rorate-Coeli can keep their tin hats (as the old saying goes, never let the facts get in the way of a good story). I suspect that this is little more than a miscommunication - Cardinal Sarah and the Pope Emeritus being at cross purposes particularly around “co-authorship” and what that actually means.
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tafan2
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I don’t suspect a great conspiracy. And I don’t want to put much stock in the lifesitenews reporting, but I also find it hard to believe that an accomplished author such as Benedict XVI does not understand co-authorship.
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stpurl
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Exactly. Also, written correspondence here between Cardinal Sarah and Pope Emeritus Benedict is so very different from, ahem, ‘oral’ i.e., “The Pope Emeritus said to me” or “I said to the Pope Emeritus’. As we have seen in other cases, such as Italian interviewers who ‘don’t take notes’ but report what they 'think” a person (even a Pope!) has said, relying on ‘he ‘said’ is a bit more chancy than relying on written, "I wrote to him and he responded to me’. . .
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InThePew
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I don’t claim to know the first thing about publishing but Googling the question (an excellent approach to any problem) reveals that defining a co-author versus a contributor is far from straight forward. Much, it seems, boils down to how an individual wishes to be attributed and, in this case, it seems that BXVI has decided that contributorship is preferable in his particular case. The way I read it, nobody seems to have realised that his involvement with the book would be controversial (much like his Regensburg address). Granted, you might say “how could they possible not realise that this would be controversial” but, as the old saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction and I’ve seen a lot stranger things than this in my time! 
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I just finished watching his video. They had some good insight into what was happening and Bree Dail came across as very unbiased and clearly wanted to make sure people had the facts and not just rumors and speculation.
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AngelaMarie
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Depending on what the contracts say, BXVI may have no say in the matter any more. The publishers have the power now
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Feanor2
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But is it right that Ignatius Press which prides itself as orthodox would refuse the expressed wishes of Benedict?InThePew:
Depending on what the contracts say, BXVI may have no say in the matter any more. The publishers have the power now
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MagdalenaRita
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It seems it wasn’t Pope Benedict that made the request.
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Feanor2
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It was his secretary who speaks for him.
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stpurl
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It was his secretary who SAYS he speaks for him. We have seen more than one iffy ‘claim’ and ‘doctored’ photos etc regarding what Benedict has ‘asked for’ or 'authorized. But the letters and correspondence of Cardinal Sarah ‘check out’.
Pope Benedict has authored several books. A published author usually has great knowledge of what ‘authorization’ means.
As for his age, my mother is 90 and sharp as a tack although physically she can get wobbly and tired.
She also, if approached in a ‘forceful’ manner, will ‘give in’ on matters that even a few years ago she would have stood firm on, ‘in order not to upset family’. Does that perhaps look a bit familiar?
Pope Benedict has authored several books. A published author usually has great knowledge of what ‘authorization’ means.
As for his age, my mother is 90 and sharp as a tack although physically she can get wobbly and tired.
She also, if approached in a ‘forceful’ manner, will ‘give in’ on matters that even a few years ago she would have stood firm on, ‘in order not to upset family’. Does that perhaps look a bit familiar?
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AngelaMarie
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If contacts were signed, yes, they have all the right to refuse. It’s just to honor signed contracts
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AngelaMarie
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Exactly. There is no indication BXVI didnt know what he was doing. He gets it
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