Click on the link for the short article.But he saved his strongest words for those who suggest gay couples should be put on the same level as a husband and wife.
“This tacitly accredits those dismal theories that strip all relevance from the masculinity and femininity of the human being as though it were a purely biological issue,” the Pope said.
Could you translate that for me? i have no idea what you are trying to say.While there is no proof yet that homosexuality is genetic, there is also no proof yet that it isn’t. Therefore I am of the opinion that it is a little biological as far as being attracted goes. How one behaves may be more determined by society but how one feels inside is pretty much determined before they have control over it.
If it turns out to be in some cases a genetic cause then all we have found is that some people have a genetic defect that gives them an inclination toward disordered behavior. At best it may help us to understand the diminished culpability some may have. If they find a genetic link then there is hope that they may find a “cure”.While there is no proof yet that homosexuality is genetic, there is also no proof yet that it isn’t. Therefore I am of the opinion that it is a little biological as far as being attracted goes. How one behaves may be more determined by society but how one feels inside is pretty much determined before they have control over it.
I have stated time and time again that the feeling of attraction to the same gender may be as biologically genetic as what type of girl a heterosexaul male finds attractive. Behavior on the other hand is nurtured and not genetic.Could you translate that for me? i have no idea what you are trying to say.
And either way if they, the inclination or feelings, are disordered then the persons with them have a disorder.I have stated time and time again that the feeling of attraction to the same gender may be as biologically genetic as what type of girl a heterosexaul male finds attractive. Behavior on the other hand is nurtured and not genetic.
Why must we use such insulting words as disorder or defect. I t doesn’t help to uphold the dignity of the human person and I sure have heard the Vatican wish to do that so often. And why do we need to find a cure for everything. Why can we not just live with some things the way they are.If it turns out to be in some cases a genetic cause then all we have found is that some people have a genetic defect that gives them an inclination toward disordered behavior. At best it may help us to understand the diminished culpability some may have. If they find a genetic link then there is hope that they may find a “cure”.
If it’s anything other than behavioral/psythological and it is physological it is still disordered and thus a disorder.
Too bad the medical community is brain washed by pop culture and can’t see the forest for the trees.
But what the Pope said was valid regardless.I have stated time and time again that the feeling of attraction to the same gender may be as biologically genetic as what type of girl a heterosexaul male finds attractive. Behavior on the other hand is nurtured and not genetic.
Since the vatican uses the words intrinsicly disordered to describe homosexual behavior I hardly think we are going against there wishes in using the same words.Why must we use such insulting words as disorder or defect. I t doesn’t help to uphold the dignity of the human person and I sure have heard the Vatican wish to do that so often. And why do we need to find a cure for everything. Why can we not just live with some things the way they are.
Disorder is not an insult. It recognizes that something isn’t what it should be according to its nature. If a person is born with a inclination toward alcoholism we call it a disorder and try to solve it. If a person has a genitic disorder such as down syndrome we do not love the person any less, in fact, such people may be even more deserving of our love, but we don’t pretend everything is as it should and not attempt to help the person.Why must we use such insulting words as disorder or defect. I t doesn’t help to uphold the dignity of the human person and I sure have heard the Vatican wish to do that so often. And why do we need to find a cure for everything. Why can we not just live with some things the way they are.
But there is no sin in the orientation just the behavior. Could we not adjust our language that we use in dealing with this segment of the population?Since the vatican uses the words intrinsicly disordered to describe homosexual behavior I hardly think we are going against there wishes in using the same words.
The reason we can not just live with sin is that it not only puts the sinners soul in danger but leads others to beleive their are no consequences to succuming to such sinful behavior
You’re searching for utopia. That won’t happen down here on earth until Jesus comes again.Disorder is not an insult. It recognizes that something isn’t what it should be according to its nature. If a person is born with a inclination toward alcoholism we call it a disorder and try to solve it. If a person has a genitic disorder such as down syndrome we do not love the person any less, in fact, such people may be even more deserving of our love, but we don’t pretend everything is as it should and not attempt to help the person.
Would you tell someone with down syndrome that we won’t look for a future cure because we love them how they are?
Nonsense. It is just our pop culture that blinds people to seeing homosexuality as anything other than disordered.
We don’t use the same words? The church refers to those who suffer from same sex attraction. This is totally different language. Those who act on it are committing homosexual acts which are grave in matter (culpability judgments reserved).But there is no sin in the orientation just the behavior. Could we not adjust our language that we use in dealing with this segment of the population?
Utopia schmopia!You’re searching for utopia. That won’t happen down here on earth until Jesus comes again.
Then we support them in avoiding the behavior or acts but we don’t require them to get rid of all same sex attractions.Utopia schmopia!
This is nonsense. I search for no such thing untill Christ comes again. But while we wait we must treat each other with utmost charity. That means helping those who suffer from the affliction of same sex attraction.
Pretending such inclinations arn’t disordered can only make it harder for those who struggle with them to overcome their cross.
It is not in any way a charity to confuse those who struggle by pretending they shouldn’t struggle against unnatural behavior. That’s like telling an alcoholic that it isn’t really wrong to get drunk, just because we know they struggle with the behavior.
We don’t “require them”? If it is in fact physiological (genetic, chemical, etc.) then they can’t will it to go away, a medical solution is necessary.Then we support them in avoiding the behavior or acts but we don’t require them to get rid of all same sex attractions.
Fine. You keep your view I’ll keep mine. I find nothing wrong in my approach so I’ll go my way.We don’t “require them”? If it is in fact physiological (genetic, chemical, etc.) then they can’t will it to go away, a medical solution is necessary.
Look. Take homosexuality out of it for a minute.
If behavior X is wrong and a person has an unnatural phsiological inclination toward X then it is a medical problem to solve the cause of X and cure it.
If I had in inclination to steal (there are such phychological disorders) you wouldn’t say… help him not steal but don’t cure the unnatural inclination.
If I had an inclination toward violence (many physiological and psychological disoders can cause this) then you wouldn’t say… “help him not to commit violent actions but don’t cure the unnatural inclination toward violence.”
If I had any other unnatural disorder toward disordered behavior you would say “cure the disorder”. But our pop culture keeps cramming the idea that “gay is ok”.
Look if it is a disordered inclination why on earth would we not seek to help the person be whole and healthy?
I get the impression that you feel threatened when we say that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. What is so uncharitable about calling homosexuality disordered?Fine. You keep your view I’ll keep mine. I find nothing wrong in my approach so I’ll go my way.
I’m just laying out reason. If you (as you seem to do) believe as the church teaches that homosexual acts are immoral, then rationally explain to me why we would not want to help someone be free from this unnatural inclination?Fine. You keep your view I’ll keep mine. I find nothing wrong in my approach so I’ll go my way.
Because I have never engaged in the behavior but there is nothing that has been able to rid me of the attractions. All this bs suggesting therapy that costs through the roof. My God has consoled me in telling me I am completely fine the way I am. It bothers me that people can not come to the same conclusion.I get the impression that you feel threatened when we say that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. What is so uncharitable about calling homosexuality disordered?