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pete_29
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I guess this means the Catholic Church is going to set up abortion clinics, perform gay marriages, and hand out condoms at Mass.
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Brendan
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You are correct, the Church’s own list is substantially more than just 3.
Anything that the Church has declares as ‘intrinsically evil’, is by definition, not negotiable for a Catholic to support.
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The_Bucket
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This perfectly encapsulates his message in one sentence. Brilliantly summed up. I would just go one step farther though and say he is telling us that we cannot choose between doctrine and charity. That failing to follow through on one or the other is wrong. It can’t be either/or. It has to be AND. It must be AND every single time.
If we provide charity without faith, without the doctrine, we just become an NGO, as Francis said before. If we provide doctrine without charity, no one will listen and we will wither away slowly. It has to be both. We have to put our money where our mouths are each and every time and do it in a way where we are setting ourselves up as the lowliest of servants.
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sisblessed
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The field day is Significantly worse and it is obvious to any objective person.
Now I say this sincerely in my leaving: I pray all the confusion centering around Pope Francis will end. It is NOT uniting many Faithful who are instead again looking at becoming Protestant or staying Protestant. The Word of God tells us to be bold in our Faith and loyal to Jesus Christ, Son of God. (and I’m sure you are)
As far as the Holy Spirit is concerned since this is the Church Christ found, I believe all peoples of the world should be given the opportunity to hear the Gospel and of the one true Church without all the racket that currently exists where some Bible based Christians have much confusion over our Leader’s (the Pope’s) words.
Good-bye.
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seekerz
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There is no confusion over the Pope’s words; his message was crystal clear. There is considerable misinterpretation or reinterpretation because some people CHOOSE not to accept that message.The field day is Significantly worse and it is obvious to any objective person.
Now I say this sincerely in my leaving: I pray all the confusion centering around Pope Francis will end. It is NOT uniting many Faithful who are instead again looking at becoming Protestant or staying Protestant. The Word of God tells us to be bold in our Faith and loyal to Jesus Christ, Son of God. (and I’m sure you are)
As far as the Holy Spirit is concerned since this is the Church Christ found, I believe all peoples of the world should be given the opportunity to hear the Gospel and of the one true Church without all the racket that currently exists where some have much confusion over our Leader’s (the Pope’s) words.
Good-bye.
Christ’s words in the Gospel have been similarly misinterpreted and reinterpreted to serve various agendas…so what should we do about people who create confusion over what the Bible says?
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opus101
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This fact is very telling. I’m not minimizing the tragedy of such things, but think we need to ask why they were Catholic in the first place, and how much faith they put in the secular press as opposed to Jesus Christ and his promise to be with us to the end of the world.
Were these people Catholic just because of the Church’s position on abortion and homosexuality alone (which hasn’t and will never change, by the way), or did they accept the whole of the Faith as well?
Are they really willing to abandon Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament and risk their salvation over something the Pope said in an interview which was blown out of proportion?
Even if the Pope was a scoundrel (and there have been some), there would be no basis for leaving the Faith. The Holy Spirit guards her from error. To leave would be apostasy.
They need to pray a lot and think long and hard about this. What they would be doing is far, far worse than anything a Pope would say or do. They would be cutting themselves off from the Head.
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SaintAugustine
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sisblessed
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You don’t get it. We were winning many Protestants and bringing them to the one true Faith in our metroplex area. I’m going to read my Bible now.
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The_Bucket
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Were we actually winning them over with the Truth or with just their mutual disdain for a certain sin?You don’t get it. We were winning many Protestants and bringing them to the one true Faith in our metroplex area. I’m going to read my Bible now.
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sisblessed
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Thank you.
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seekerz
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So if they were truly converting why would hearing the truths of our faith from the Pope stop them in their tracks?You don’t get it. We were winning many Protestants and bringing them to the one true Faith in our metroplex area. I’m going to read my Bible now.
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seekerz
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Yes that is my question too? Were they converting to the Catholic faith or to some cult?
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InSearchofGrace
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Well, the ensuing confusion over the Pope’s words published on September 19 can not be denied, and the overall message was unintentionally diluted IMO. Let’s take into consideration that the 12K word interview took place over six hours in a series of three meetings. There was a list of complex topics under twenty sub-headings if you read the interviewer’s long article. In a conversation between two Jesuits, perhaps, it is just par for the course. Not so to many in the reading laity and secular world, who just read the headlines of the Pope’s comment of "Who am I to judge gays … " during an 81 minute plane interview on July 29. That took a few days for followers, Catholics and non-Catholics, to unpack. The appetite of Catholics dissenting on abortion, homosexuality, women ordination issues, etc., already pulled away by the strong current of secularism or the spirit of the world, had just been whetted. And here was further “nods” by the highest leader of the Church according to the distortion of NYT, HuffPo, Slate, and rest in the left leaning MSM that sounded good to their ears.
Had publication of the article on the interview been staggered in three or four parts, the consequence may have been different, and not have resulted in such an acute effect on pro-life and marriage defenders.
The compulsion of current culture to blurt out and know see/view everything all at once has a huge down side. Clarity is more difficult to glean. The message was not crystal clear to many.
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seekerz
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Those who are confused, choose to be confused since there are many avenues to clear up any genuine misunderstandings. I would imagine one job of the clergy (not to mention informed laity) is to echo/expound on the Pope’s messages. That was done pretty effectively on a couple news programs I watched when this first came out.
I will readily admit to not reading the whole interview, but immediately I heard the quotes I understood what the Pope was talking about. “Who am I to judge gays”? Who are any of us to judge any sinner? Isn’t that what we are warned against in Scripture? The same Scripture that urges us to speak out against sin where we see it? If a Catholic cannot understand the difference between speaking against sin and judging sinners, then he was confused before the Pope even spoke.
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InSearchofGrace
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I congratulate you for being one of the astute and quick.
But to say those who got confused amid all the noise chose to be confused? I would not go that far.
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99th_Monkey
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This was the very thing I was thinking.
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dixieagle
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Yes. And if they are troubled by his approach, then they don’t “get it” to begin with. They need to stop paying attention to the secular “spin artists”.
So how should this scenario be handled?
A homosexual couple hears the media’s interpretation of the Pope’s statement and thinks the church is changing or going to change its stance on homosexuality. They decide to start going to church and never hear anything from the pulpit that even implies homosexuality is wrong (let’s face it, we never hear it now). They decide to join the church and start RCIA the following year. When they go to the priest, how should the situation be handled?
A homosexual couple hears the media’s interpretation of the Pope’s statement and thinks the church is changing or going to change its stance on homosexuality. They decide to start going to church and never hear anything from the pulpit that even implies homosexuality is wrong (let’s face it, we never hear it now). They decide to join the church and start RCIA the following year. When they go to the priest, how should the situation be handled?
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SaintAugustine
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With loving correction (i.e. explaining Church teaching and what our response to God should be). Now, I more than realize that it might not be received well, but that is the way it has to be handled. In no way should a priest, and I’m sure Pope Francis would back me up on this, receive the couple into the Church as an active homosexual couple. A complete, contrite confession must be done prior to being received into the Church. There is no way that a person could do so without a commitment to turn away from sin.
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migueltojose
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bucket
Were we actually winning them over with the Truth or with just their mutual disdain for a certain sin?
Yes that is my question too? Were they converting to the Catholic faith or to some cult?
??? What? 910 AM in the DFW area … mutual disdain? cult? What are either of you trying to say??
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