Pope calls for Palistinian state

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is the Pope wrong for supporting the palestinian state? and would making a palestinian state diminish the Israel state
 
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Instruments of peace. How much the people of this camp, these Territories, and this entire region long for peace! In these days, that longing takes on a particular poignancy as you recall the events of May 1948 and the years of conflict, as yet unresolved, that followed from those events. You are now living in precarious and difficult conditions, with limited opportunities for employment. It is understandable that you often feel frustrated. Your legitimate aspirations for permanent homes, for an independent Palestinian State, remain unfulfilled. Instead you find yourselves trapped, as so many in this region and throughout the world are trapped, in a spiral of violence, of attack and counter-attack, retaliation, and continual destruction. The whole world is longing for this spiral to be broken, for peace to put an end to the constant fighting.
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Humanitarian aid, of the kind provided in this camp, has an essential role to play, but the long-term solution to a conflict such as this can only be political. No one expects the Palestinian and Israeli peoples to arrive at it on their own. The support of the international community is vital, and hence I make a renewed appeal to all concerned to bring their influence to bear in favor of a just and lasting solution, respecting the legitimate demands of all parties and recognizing their right to live in peace and dignity, in accordance with international law. Yet at the same time, diplomatic efforts can only succeed if Palestinians and Israelis themselves are willing to break free from the cycle of aggression.
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I think the Palestinians should have a state. Further I think that State should be great friends with Israel; it can only be good for both parties.
 
A Palestine State, if created in good faith, would not diminish Israel. Although it would occupy square mileage now shown as Israeli on the map, these areas were never incorporated into Israel proper, but are administered as “occupied territory” since 1967.

A true and lasting peace with everybody would be worth the cession of some square mileage; but only if everybody negotiated in good faith. Right now, it doesn’t seem that way. If nothing else, the denial of Palestine citizenship to the refugees in other nations suggests that nothing at all would improve on the ground by the state’s creation, as all the knotty human issues would remain unsolved.

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the problem is that Abbas said in his speech the other day that he refuses to recognize Israel as a state. so the Pope may feel the need for a Palestinian state, but i don’t think the Pope wants it if Abbas continues to say that the state of Israel is illegitimate.
 
porthos11 said:
I think the Palestinians should have a state. Further I think that State should be great friends with Israel; it can only be good for both parties.
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The Israeli administration concurs. Conditions for a two-state solution include both parties agreeing to that though.
 
7_Sorrows said:
the problem is that Abbas said in his speech the other day that he refuses to recognize Israel as a state. so the Pope may feel the need for a Palestinian state, but i don’t think the Pope wants it if Abbas continues to say that the state of Israel is illegitimate.
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Why should the USA support a state that discriminates on the basis of religion. Unless the USA really does not believe in the separation of Church and State when it comes to Judaism? Israel discriminates against Palestinians as it ethnically cleanses them from the East Jerusalem and establishes Jewish settlements. Israel has enacted a “Law of Return” that allows Jews to “return” to Israel and obtain Israeli citizenship and settle in Israel or the occupied Palestinian Territories, while at the same time Palestinian refugees cannot apply for return. And if anyone criticises Israel he is in danger of being called an anti-semite.
 
Not_Sure said:
Personally, my view is for Israel to become a Christian State.
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As well hope for the Pope to become king of England.

(However, if a certain well-known thirtysomething Jew were to resume living in Jerusalem; all bets would be off:):):))

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I am unsure that I would be for a Palestinian state at this time. Mostly because once acknowledged as a state they are granted access to the services of the UN. To include the world court. The Palestinians could then use this court to inflict damage on Israel by claiming all sorts of things like war crimes to name one. And, recalling that the human rights commission of the UN is headed by none other than Momar Qaddafi does not bode well for Israel. Not to mention that the Palestinian state’s government would be populated with members from the terrorist group Hamas is also disturbing.

This scenario is very much like what happens in this country on a smaller scale. There is one group or another pushing their agenda, when voted down by the majority of the populace it is then taken to the courts where liberal, or at least, activist judges impose said agenda on the unwilling populace. I do not think that Palestine is sufficiently developed to be granted such protections or support.

I think that in time the Palestinians should have their own state, but that status comes with a price and that price is that the Palestinians decide to live in harmony, as much as anyone can, with other states, and not impose their agenda by letting the rest of the world do its dirty work.
 
GEddie said:
As well hope for the Pope to become king of England.

(However, if a certain well-known thirtysomething Jew were to resume living in Jerusalem; all bets would be off:):):))

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At some point Jews will accept Jesus as their Savior.
 
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