Pope calls idea of declaring Mary co-redemptrix ‘foolishness’

[Tis_Bearself]

No they don’t. The only one that does is ‘mother of God’.

Your statement is incorrect, and a gross oversimplification of Marian titles.

Virtually ALL Mariology, including all Marian titles, has Christological implications. There is nothing that pertains to Mary that does not also pertain in some way to Christ.

 

[Babaganoush]

the immaculate conception, coredemptrix, the assumption say nothing about Christ.

 

[Babaganoush]

I am quite aware of Christology. I have done a lot of reading on the subject.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Co-redemptrix has not been accepted as a doctrine of the Church. Even if it were, it would obviously involve Christ because he would be the co-redeemer.

The Immaculate Conception most certainly involves Christ. The reason Mary was immaculately conceived was so she could carry Christ in her womb.

The Assumption certainly involves Christ. Christ raised Mary to Heaven, body and soul. She didn’t just levitate there under her own power.

 

[MikeInVA]

Co-redemptrix has not been accepted as a doctrine of the Church. Even if it were, it would obviously involve Christ because he would be the co-redeemer.

Maybe I understand it wrong, but I see Jesus as the redeemer and Mary as co-redemptrix - a supporting role, not equal. Kind of like a that star of a movie and a co-star.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

That’s also a way of looking at it. In any event, when it comes to redemption, Christ is going to be involved as the primary redemptor if not the only redemptor (as per the current Church teaching which has him as the only redemptor).

 

[Cathoholic]

Babaganoush . . .

I am quite aware of Christology. I have done a lot of reading on the subject.

But I did not ask about your “awareness”.

I want to know how you are defining Christology,
so our discussion is not a proverbial
two-ships passing in the night scenario.

I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing before I trot out my evidence that all Marian doctrines have Christologic implications (regarding how I am using the term “Christology” in this context).

 

[twf]

the immaculate conception, coredemptrix, the assumption say nothing about Christ.

Of course they do. In the Immaculate Conception, looking forward to the merits of Christ on the cross, God prepared Mary as a fitting vessel for the incarnation of Christ.

Co-redemptrix refers to her role cooperating with Her Son, Jesus, in His work of redemption. This is something all of us are called to do to a lesser degree: “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church” (Col 1:24). …That said, the Church hasn’t actually given this title to Our Lady.

In the Assumption, Christ gave His Mother a share in his own resurrection and heavenly glory. This prefigures the Church, as the bride of Christ, which will also share in the resurrection and heavenly glory on the Last Day.