Pope changing the words to Pater Noster?

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RepetantCatholic said:
I’m already finding about groups who don’t acknowledge this Pope. OK, I only experience this online.
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The reality is that this is a very small group, that is heavily over represented in on-line forums, including this one. The vast majority of Catholics love the Pope, and are not obsessed with the political and ecclesiastical infighting that is so important to a small but vocal minority.
 
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The reality is that this is a very small group, that is heavily over represented in on-line forums, including this one. The vast majority of Catholics love the Pope, and are not obsessed with the political and ecclesiastical infighting that is so important to a small but vocal minority.
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Thank you! If you only paid attention to Catholics online you would think we are headed toward schism but it is a very small group of busy bodies creating drama. Does the Church need healing? Yes! But from what you find online it sounds like war is imminent and it really isn’t. This is why I like to see the exotic thought shared online to know what is happening on the fringe but listen to the Catholics around me to know what is really happening in our faith. The priests and parishioners I know are the norm and they are devout, engaged and not playing these silly war games.
 
While we’re waiting for @aroosi to reply, you might be interested in taking a look at this earlier thread on the same subject:
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"Lead us not into temptation" Catholic News
Within the last couple of days (December 6 or 7) I saw some comments about the Pope’s call to change the wording of the Our Father. I can’t find the thread now. Has it been taken down? Thank you
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Was St. Athanasius “nitpicking” when he fought against Arianism? Because the difference between homoousios (same substance - Catholic teaching) and Arianism (homoiousios - similar substance) came down to literally 1 iota.

He went into exile 5 times because of what that one iota represented - the denial of the Divinity of Christ.

Yes, there’s a worldwide health crisis going on but the salvation of souls is more important than the body.
 
Like I saw, it’s seems Pope Francis isn’t change Jesus word, only made to be more clear to understand, I translate the phrase to Italian to Portuguese (my native language) are praying to God no let fall into temptation.
 
Tecnologgamer said:
Could you tell me if the “Non ci indurre in tentazione” is similar to “non abbandonarci alla tentazione” have the same meaning in Italian?
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The meaning is different. Indurre convey the sense that God is the one actively leading you into temptation (so the prayer is lead us not into temptation); I think the wording bothers the Pope because gives the idea of a ‘tricky’ God that leads people into temptation (like you would expect Satan to do).
The alternative version ‘do not abandon us into temptation’ convey more an idea of a God that doesn’t bring you actively into temptation but allows people to face temptation and evil. Basically you ask with this prayer not to let you be by yourself when you face temptation or not to let you face temptation in a way that you will be unable to overcome it. I have no theology background, my answer is based only on how the two phrases are commonly perceived in Italian.
 
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I see, thanks for explain for us and help more to defend the Pope.

Although the Pope has many flaws in the politican view, the Pope is very orthodox in some subjects, like in Amazon Sinod deny the deaconism to women. I think the most problem that Church have today is the lack of rigidity in comparison to other religions and settle down like “just another way from salvation”, don’t answer with from an objective way many doubts that lay people have about the Church and the doctrine.

I don’t think Pope Francisco is bad like Julian III or other bad Pope along the history.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
Was St. Athanasius “nitpicking” when he fought against Arianism? Because the difference between homoousios (same substance - Catholic teaching) and Arianism (homoiousios - similar substance) came down to literally 1 iota.

He went into exile 5 times because of what that one iota represented - the denial of the Divinity of Christ.

Yes, there’s a worldwide health crisis going on but the salvation of souls is more important than the body.
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I doubt the Church is about to fall apart over this. How many people actually are even aware of it? Is anyone’s spirituality really being impacted by this moment? Most people are just trying to maintain their health and normalcy. It’s only the people who spend a considerable amount of time on Pope Watch that are majoring in the minors.
 
I agree with you. You’re absolutely right. What do most people think what Jesus meant by “lead us not in temptation?” I know that God does not tempt anyone, and obviously the devil does. When I read and think on that sentence what comes to mind is that I think that nothing can happen without God’s permission, even temptation by the devil. I also immediately think of the time in which Jesus was tempted by the devil in the wilderness (Mathhew 4:1). Scripture stayes that He was lead into the wilderness by the sprit to be tempted by devil. God did not tempt Jesus, but lead Him to temptation, by the devil. That is also how I interpret the sentence of the Our Father and Matthew 4:1.
Anyone, am I reading and interpreting it right?
 
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In Italian the last two lines of the Padre nostro is “…e non ci indurre in tentazione, ma liberaci dal male”
I hear Pope Frances speak in Italian and they are the words he says.

In Latin it is “…et ne nos inducas in tentationem; sed libera nos a malo”

And in Spanish “…no nos dejes caer en la tentación,
y líbranos del mal.”

Do you know where I can buy a LOH in a 4 volume Latin version.
 
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