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Chris_LaRock
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The personality, nature, and attributes of the Muslim god are completely different than that of the Christian and Jewish God. How could they be the same?
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Chris_LaRock
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Then the Church is going to have to explain why the Muslims reject the Trinity, Diety of Christ, and the Crucifixion of Jesus if they worship the same God as us.
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Neil_Anthony
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By completely, do you mean that the two understandings of God have absolutely no commonalities?
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Chris_LaRock
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gods worshipped by pagans have commonalities with the Biblical God too, but they aren’t the same dieties.
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Wyatt
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They worship the same God as we do, they just have a very distorted understanding of God. You could take your logic to its extreme conclusion and say that Protestants do not worship God since they do not have the correct understanding of Him as revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Catholic Church, but that would also be false.
I think our prayer should be that they come to a fuller understanding of God. They know Him, they just don’t know very much about Him.
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eelpis
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The qualifying word here is THESE PROFESS TO HOLD the faith of Abraham. It does not say, the Church says they do.
Mormons profess to become gods themselves, the Church does not teach that they do.
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eelpis
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The Jews deny these teachings too. If you acknowledge that they worship the same God as we do, then you have to treat the Muslims in a similar way.
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Neil_Anthony
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Leaving the question aside for a moment, imagine what happens when a agnostic or a muslim or a hindu thanks ‘god’ for the blessings they have received in life. They want to thank whoever gave all of this to them. What happens to that prayer when a agnostic or a muslim says it? Can God hear it? Or does God essentially refuse to even hear it since it wasn’t directed through Jesus Christ?
I don’t see why not, since this is the Biblical formula. Saved by grace, through faith working itself out in love.
Even Martin Luther made a remark: “One is saved by faith alone, but if faith is alone, it is not faith.”
I think it’s a fair assessment. Much of Luther’s thought could have been properly integrated into orthodox expression if only he gave it a chance.
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RobbyS
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Luther became a heretic when he formally rebelled against the Church.
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Chris_LaRock
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Jesus said: “I am the way, the truthy, and the life. NOBODY comes to the Father, but through me.”
Was he mistaken, or lying?
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Neil_Anthony
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You don’t answer questions? I’m here to try to discuss things logically, not to debate. Asking questions with obvious answers isn’t really dialog.
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Chris_LaRock
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Maybe you should post a list of rules we are all to follow when conversing with you.
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mom4truth
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WOW! Can anyone give a straight, clear-cut answer to this question???
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Bamm
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I believe that you are missing something. That something is that little word “if” that so often gets missed. Read only the first sentence and the next to the last paragraph. Benedict is not endorsing Luther’s doctrine, but as the title states, he clarifies it. Faith alone, through Christ alone and as Benedict said – Christ is Love.
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Bamm
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The question concerning Moslems – they claim the blood line of Abraham through his son Ishmael which he fathered with Hagar, Sarah’s handmaid.
Jews and Christians claim the blood line of Abraham through his son Isaac.
So, the same God, Abraham’s God – The Living God.
Jews and Christians claim the blood line of Abraham through his son Isaac.
So, the same God, Abraham’s God – The Living God.
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jfhh
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IMO, no mortal nor angel has the capacity to truly worship God. Think about that. How can we worship God, who is transcendent and beyond all our concepts of him as? We can’t in the strict sense. What we can do is aspire to love Him and worship him in song and dance and liturgy. Can our finite bodies and finite minds and hearts ever truly express the hidden infinite transcendent, transcending even our concept of transcendent, glory of God in any way that is adequate or close or even accurate to that infinite glory? God is holy; we know not how to worship God, we know not even what God is, only what God is not.
IMO this is great news (the OP) and should be shared with fundamentalists and evangelicals to create less prejudice and greater unity.
IMO this is great news (the OP) and should be shared with fundamentalists and evangelicals to create less prejudice and greater unity.
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Neil_Anthony
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Feel free to converse any way you want, I’m just explaining why I won’t be responding any more. It’s not my intention to win the argument.Maybe you should post a list of rules we are all to follow when conversing with you.
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James924
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Wow, you have REALLY misinterpreted Jesus here (like protestants often do).
The point of “but through me” is I DECIDE who comes to the father. Our lord Jesus Christ can CHOOSE to vouch for whomever he wants. He has the POWER to embrace anyone into his body. You, Chris LaRock, do NOT have the POWER to limit the POWER of Christ.
Nobody can come to the Father unless our Lord Jesus Christ SAYS its OK.
I would repeat the questions others have asked you like “The Jews dont accept Jesus, do they worship a different God?” but as someone has already pointed out, you don’t answer questions…because you can’t answer them.
Let me repeat: JESUS CAN VOUCH FOR ANYONE HE WANTS.
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MALACHYONE
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This poster, in my opinion, is talking turkey and I don’t say that just because its about Thanksgiving time.
The rank and file of all churches in the world don’t understand many many of the verbiages used here, let alone the concepts.
This is the way to communicate with each other, so that all can comprehend, or almost all. We must quit trying to impress others with our wisdom, and try to impress with our real humility.
It isn’t a matter of having advanced education. Many doctors, lawyers, engineers and others never took one single course in theology, or studied on their own, other than superficially.
We in the CC cannot just say to everyone who is inquiring, or questioning that “its in the book, believe it or burn” anymore than we could, in the past, insist that the world was flat.
The CC should be open to discuss, not always on the defensive, under the heading “guarding the faith”, but open to discussion, thinking, ideas and solutions --maybe-- that haven’t even occurred to man yet.
God Bless, Malachy
The rank and file of all churches in the world don’t understand many many of the verbiages used here, let alone the concepts.
This is the way to communicate with each other, so that all can comprehend, or almost all. We must quit trying to impress others with our wisdom, and try to impress with our real humility.
It isn’t a matter of having advanced education. Many doctors, lawyers, engineers and others never took one single course in theology, or studied on their own, other than superficially.
We in the CC cannot just say to everyone who is inquiring, or questioning that “its in the book, believe it or burn” anymore than we could, in the past, insist that the world was flat.
The CC should be open to discuss, not always on the defensive, under the heading “guarding the faith”, but open to discussion, thinking, ideas and solutions --maybe-- that haven’t even occurred to man yet.
God Bless, Malachy
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