Pope condemns possession of nuclear weapons

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Leaked information to scare Congress into funding the new missile gap.
 
Nay, we are simply dealing with the same irresponsibility, malpractice, not transparency, and the desire to prove to the world that everything is in order, and a superpower called the Russian Federation is a continuation of the pseudo-USSR… and they are stepping on the same rake.
 
Sometimes the Kremlin authorities with a grimace have to lie later to the public that supposedly posthumous heroes prevented a catastrophe, etc.
or they simply say to the public, as after Chernobyl that they always used to say - there is nothing to worry about.
 
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America and Europe will pay for flirting with Putin, because history unfortunately teaches nothing.
Putinism is dangerous for the world precisely technologically.
Perhaps the incidents that happen are a retribution for Putins nuclear blackmail.
And citizens of the state who are far from democracy are hostages in their own country. After a recent incident, have fishermen heard, for example, that fishing is prohibited for both fishing and selling?
Who is responsible that thousands of fishermen will actually be left without a livelihood?
The West is talking with Putin in diplomatic language, but in reality we are dealing with a dangerous monster and the stronger it is, the more dangerous it is for the world.
 
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MAD is a successful deterrent, because other nations know, that if they were to attack, and the U.S. or Russia thought them a sufficient threat, the nation could be entirely wiped off the map and turned into a pool of molten slag. This is the reality, if we disarm, Russia, or China, or anywhere else could invade, or straight up wipe us off the map. This is a substantiative threat, and so must be treated as such. That’s not to say that it wouldn’t be ideal to disarm, but we need all parties to disarm together, and we need sufficient other means to deter foreign threats.
 
I am hopeful that with the deployment of beam weapons, on land and aboard naval ships, that it will begin to render certain weapon delivery platforms unusable. As the power of lasers for combat use increases, the launch of ICBMs and nuclear tipped cruise missiles will soon see them unable to make it to any target of any distance. Overhead surveillance has increased and improved. Even at Mach 5, or 5 times the speed of sound, a laser moving at the speed of light will hit and have enough time on target to destroy it/shoot it down.
 
Sounds good to me about time he did. People still think they can win a nuclear war. The deaths from the effects would be global and the leader of the country that uses them will be the biggest mass murder in history. Starvation in the years following the use of these weapon would be enormous - there will be a special place in hell for that leader or leaders who use these weapons…
 
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BT3241 said:
The deaths from the effects would be global and the leader of the country that uses them will be the biggest mass murder in history. Starvation in the years following the use of these weapon would be enormous - there will be a special place in hell for that leader or leaders who use these weapons…
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That ship sailed at the end of WWII.
And none of what you describe took place.
 
That was one bomb - there will be hundreds in the next one - the ship has not sailed
 
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That was one bomb - there will be hundreds in the next one - the ship has not sailed
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That is something that you did not specify.
And possibly an assumption on your part concerning those that believe a nuclear war is “winnable”.
 
I spent the entire ICBM, we’re going to blow you up, Cold War enjoying myself. From 1959 when ICBMs were first deployed by both sides until the early 1990s.
 
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MAD is a successful deterrent, because other nations know, that if they were to attack, and the U.S. or Russia thought them a sufficient threat, the nation could be entirely wiped off the map and turned into a pool of molten slag. This is the reality, if we disarm, Russia, or China, or anywhere else could invade, or straight up wipe us off the map. This is a substantiative threat, and so must be treated as such. That’s not to say that it wouldn’t be ideal to disarm, but we need all parties to disarm together, and we need sufficient other means to deter foreign threats.
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The MAD protocol is inherently unstable and has already come close to failing more than once. Both Russia and the USA continue to develop their first-strike capabilities which may, in the future, have the potential to eliminate all of another country’s nuclear reltaliatory weapons. If this happens, then both the USA and Russia will find themselves under great pressure to be the first to strike.

The idea that Russia wants to “wipe us off the map” is not correct. Russia wants to do no such thing. Russia is not an enemy of the USA, and the repetive characterization of Russia as an “enemy” is just plain fear-mongering. The USA can and should undergo unilateral nuclear disarmament and rely on the Russian nuclear umbrella. Our failure to accomplish this essential action will lead, in the end, to a global nuclear war, the consequences of which simply cannot be imagined.
 
More fear-mongering. I lived through the Cold War. You should see Nikita Khrushchev in action. “We will bury you! We will bury you!” First, the US tries to overthrow Fidel Castro by launching the Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961. Then, in 1962, the Russians arrive and install Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles aimed at the US. The Joint Chiefs of Staff urge President Kennedy to not only take out the missiles in Cuba but to attack Russia as well. President Kennedy and his brother, US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy, managed to avoid war. An agreement was reached where the US would pull out its Jupiter missiles deployed in Turkey and Italy in exchange for the Russians pulling their missiles out of Cuba.

China and Russia are the biggest threats. China more than Russia. Plus a few rogue States. No one here has the Command and Control authority to do anything. All of the response scenarios exist. If something happens, the public will be the last to know. Face the fact that there is Top Secret intelligence that no one has a need to know. Those in charge of nuclear weapons on all sides know what’s at stake.
 
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