Pope condemns possession of nuclear weapons

  • Thread starter Thread starter TK421
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
You should study the history of the Cold War and the current weapons being deployed and those that are available to the United States right now. You lack knowledge in those areas and can only speak very generally. That is the issue with your current argument.

Military planners have families and relatives too, but the goals and intentions of all enemies need to be considered in a practical way. Yes, a practical way.

It is becoming more and more possible to target only enemy combatants and avoid civilian casualties. Even those hiding among populations need to get near their enemy at some point. On a practical level, countries like the US have the manpower to watch them at all hours. They do not. Not to the same degree.
 
Last edited:
 
Last edited:
“civilian use” You know what the best “worst case” scenario is? Israel sends fighter-bombers to blow up their “civilian use” with a guarantee of ZERO world condemnation. Just like they did against the French Osirak reactor under construction in Iraq in 1981. And should they try to get nuclear weapons, the United States will take any action that it regards as appropriate, short of war.

Study some history.
 
Last edited:
edwest211 said:
Study some history.
Click to expand...
…high-profile figures such as al-Faisal have suggested the country might seek to develop nuclear weapons as a counterweight to Iran… (Summer Said, Wall Street Journal , Jan. 16, 2012)
 
Last edited:
This is a nuclear weapon thread, correct?
They have nuclear weapons that only target combatants?
Do tell. We are all ears.
 
Last edited:
This is not a military history thread. Your confusion is understandable. You obviously literally don’t know what you’re talking about and continue on your way. Do continue. I’m not here to teach modern military weapons and tactics.
 
I’m sure the diplomats will act. Military surveillance will act. And Russia will act if it feels its “interests” in the region might be threatened.
 
edwest211 said:
This is not a military history thread. Your confusion is understandable. You obviously literally don’t know what you’re talking about and continue on your way. Do continue. I’m not here to teach modern military weapons and tactics.
Click to expand...
I will continue on my way, thank you.
(If you review your posts, by the way, I think you’ll find your premise that you are “not here to teach modern military weapons and tactics” is somewhat implausible.)
 
Last edited:
repentant2 said:
Nuclear weapons are probably the only thing really keeping peace between most of the larger nations.

China would be far more aggressive to their neighbors, India and Pakistan would be trying to drown each other in their own blood, and Russia would be swallowing up Eastern Europe again.
Click to expand...
None of russias neighbors have nuclear weapons
 
Not relevant. Don’t write about things like this where you do not have a full understanding of the issues involved. The former USSR was atheist and Communist.
 
My grandmother is a witness and a survivor of horrors committed in the Korean War.

Back then, in the 1950s, the War itself was a horror. Her family survived, but she doesn’t talk about her memories often. I don’t know what she saw but I know an overview of what happened to her.

I’m just worried that the war that she experienced will happen again if we don’t stop.
 
Don’t worry. Pray.

The technology to prevent war has improved greatly since the armistice in Korea from 1953.
 
edwest211 said:
Not relevant. Don’t write about things like this where you do not have a full understanding of the issues involved. The former USSR was atheist and Communist.
Click to expand...
Who are you answering? Because answering right after my post makes it sound as if you think the Beatitudes are irrelevant to the Pope’s condemnation of possession of nuclear weapons. (That’s what this thread is about, not military history.)
 
Last edited:
This year marks the fiftieth anniversary of the Encyclical Letter Populorum Progressio of Pope Paul VI. That Encyclical, in developing the Christian concept of the person, set forth the notion of integral human development and proposed it as “the new name of peace”. In this memorable and still timely document, the Pope stated succinctly that “development cannot be restricted to economic growth alone. To be authentic, it must be integral; it must foster the development of each man and of the whole man” (No. 14).

We need, then, to reject the culture of waste and to care for individuals and peoples labouring under painful disparities through patient efforts to favour processes of solidarity over selfish and contingent interests. This also entails integrating the individual and the social dimensions through the application of the principle of subsidiarity, encouraging the contribution of all, as individuals and as groups. Lastly, there is a need to promote human beings in the indissoluble unity of soul and body, of contemplation and action.

In this way, progress that is both effective and inclusive can achieve the utopia of a world free of deadly instruments of aggression, contrary to the criticism of those who consider idealistic any process of dismantling arsenals. The teaching of John XXIII remains ever valid. In pointing to the goal of an integral disarmament, he stated: “Unless this process of disarmament be thoroughgoing and complete, and reach men’s very souls, it is impossible to stop the arms race, or to reduce armaments, or – and this is the main thing – ultimately to abolish them entirely” ( Pacem in Terris, 11 April 1963).

The Church does not tire of offering the world this wisdom and the actions it inspires, conscious that integral development is the beneficial path that the human family is called to travel. I encourage you to carry forward this activity with patience and constancy, in the trust that the Lord is ever at our side. May he bless each of you and your efforts in the service of justice and peace. Thank you.
–Pope Francis, Address to participants in the International Symposium "Prospects for a World Free of Nuclear Weapons and for Integral Disarmament."Friday, 10 November 2017

For the whole address, see:
http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...cesco_20171110_convegno-disarmointegrale.html
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top