Pope confirms visit to Shroud of Turin; new evidence on shroud emerges

[Eucharisted]

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – Pope Benedict XVI confirmed his intention to visit the Shroud of Turin when it goes on public display in Turin’s cathedral April 10-May 23, 2010.

Cardinal Severino Poletto of Turin, papal custodian of the Shroud of Turin, visited the pope July 26 in Les Combes, Italy, where the pope was spending part of his vacation. The Alpine village is about 85 miles from Turin.

The cardinal gave the pope the latest news concerning preparations for next year’s public exposition of the shroud and the pope “confirmed his intention to go to Turin for the occasion,” said the Vatican spokesman, Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, in a written statement July 27.

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[TristanCross]

I wouldn’t adore it a bit. We don’t know if it really is what our hearts want us to think it is. Is it possible? Yes. Do we know? No.

 

[rjs1]

I wouldn’t adore it a bit. We don’t know if it really is what our hearts want us to think it is. Is it possible? Yes. Do we know? No.

Against the huge file of evidence in favour of the Shroud being authentic there is really only the carbon dating evidence against it.

However, recently the carbon dating “evidence” has been shown to be seriously flawed, because the section of cloth used for the dating was compromised by being near the sections which were scorched in the fire.

I think an objective look at the evidence - pathological, photometric, pollen analysis etc leaves little doubt as to its authenticity.

 

[Luke65]

Against the huge file of evidence in favour of the Shroud being authentic there is really only the carbon dating evidence against it.

However, recently the carbon dating “evidence” has been shown to be seriously flawed, because the section of cloth used for the dating was compromised by being near the sections which were scorched in the fire.

I think an objective look at the evidence - pathological, photometric, pollen analysis etc leaves little doubt as to its authenticity.

Actually, the carbon dating was rejected in a peer-reviewed journal, Thermochemica Acta, which was reported in Nature, because they carbon dated a patch that had been sewn on the Shroud around the 14th or 15th century. And a new date based on chemical analysis was given: between 1300 and 3000 years old.

Here is the Shroud of Turin in the Bible:

“Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock.” (Matthew 27:59-60)

And here it isn’t:

“Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus’ head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.” (John 20:6-8)

I believe St. John saw the image on the Shroud and believed, but kept it on the down low so that modern scientists could be baffled by it! And to edify our faith.

shroudstory.com/

shroud.com/menu.htm

 

[Eucharisted]

Actually, the carbon dating was rejected in a peer-reviewed journal, Thermochemica Acta, which was reported in Nature, because they carbon dated a patch that had been sewn on the Shroud around the 14th or 15th century. And a new date based on chemical analysis was given: between 1300 and 3000 years old.

Here is the Shroud of Turin in the Bible:

“Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock.” (Matthew 27:59-60)

And here it isn’t:

“Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus’ head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.” (John 20:6-8)

I believe St. John saw the image on the Shroud and believed, but kept it on the down low so that modern scientists could be baffled by it! And to edify our faith.

shroudstory.com/

shroud.com/menu.htm

You’re making a molehole out of a mountain. The two verses speak about the same cloth. I encourage you to do a bit of research on ancient burial

 

[Victorious]

I wouldn’t adore it a bit. We don’t know if it really is what our hearts want us to think it is. Is it possible? Yes. Do we know? No.

You don’t adore the Shroud. You venerate it. Adoration is for God alone.

Whether it really is the burial cloth of Christ shouldn’t make any difference to our faith. But personally, I think it is what it purports to be.

 

[RACJ]

Frankly, before the advent of photograhic negative imaging, I’d have laughed the Shroud off as a hoax. It simply is unimpressive to the naked eye. Thank God and people for preserving it, b/c to me, the Shroud is simply the most fascinating relic of history. Scientists remain as far from explaing its origin as east is to west. As a non-RC, I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the burial cloth of Jesus Christ is in our midst. Bob

 

[Victorious]

Frankly, before the advent of photograhic negative imaging, I’d have laughed the Shroud off as a hoax. It simply is unimpressive to the naked eye.

The whole negative angle is definitely food for thought. What hoaxer could have even conceived of such a thing during the Middle Ages? But as for the appearance of the positive image, I’d be willing to bet it gives a different impression in person, and in natural light. I have never seen the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the tilma of Juan Diego, for example, but it is said that it looks a lot different in person; and even the best photographs of it do not do justice to its beauty.

 

[Luke65]

You’re making a molehole out of a mountain. The two verses speak about the same cloth. I encourage you to do a bit of research on ancient burial

What makes you think I haven’t? The Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth (“sindon”, in Greek) that wrapped the body of our Lord Jesus. The Sudarium of Oviedo is His head cloth (“sudarium”, in Greek) that St. John mentioned, but he did not mention the sindon. He did mention the “strips of cloth” that the Jews wrapped around the ankles, wrists, and jaw of the body. The blood stains on the Shroud and the Sudarium are a match (the head cloth gets removed before the body is wrapped in the shroud, which is why it was neatly folded off to the side), and the blood type is also a match: AB- (same as the Eucharistic miracles). Read this article to learn how the Jews buried their dead (including a picture of a body from that time): shroud.com/pdfs/n62part7.pdf

 

[buffalo]

Pope confirms visit to Shroud of Turin; new evidence on shroud emerges

…A recent study by French scientist Thierry Castex has revealed that on the shroud are traces of words in Aramaic spelled with Hebrew letters.

A Vatican researcher, Barbara Frale, told Vatican Radio July 26 that her own studies suggest the letters on the shroud were written more than 1,800 years ago.

She said that in 1978 a Latin professor in Milan noticed Aramaic writing on the shroud and in 1989 scholars discovered Hebrew characters that probably were portions of the phrase “The king of the Jews.”

more…

 

[Muzhik]

The blood stains on the Shroud and the Sudarium are a match (the head cloth gets removed before the body is wrapped in the shroud, which is why it was neatly folded off to the side), and the blood type is also a match: AB- (same as the Eucharistic miracles). Read this article to learn how the Jews buried their dead (including a picture of a body from that time): shroud.com/pdfs/n62part7.pdf

There is another reason the Sudarium was folded off to one side. Under the customs of the day (and even into the Middle Ages), when the master was finished with the meal he would crumple the napkin and leave it on the table. If he intended to return, he would fold the napkin neatly and set it to one side.

I think Our Master intends to return!

P.S. AB- blood type is also known as “universal recipient”. That means that the person can accept blood from the A, B, and O types with no problems. (That is an oversimplification, BTW. Hospitals would never do that today, of course, except in extreme emergencies.) Jesus the Christ is the Universal Recipient, able and willing to accept our failings, our sins, our blood upon Himself.

Interesting thought.

 

[Luke65]

There is another reason the Sudarium was folded off to one side. Under the customs of the day (and even into the Middle Ages), when the master was finished with the meal he would crumple the napkin and leave it on the table. If he intended to return, he would fold the napkin neatly and set it to one side.

I think Our Master intends to return!

P.S. AB- blood type is also known as “universal recipient”. That means that the person can accept blood from the A, B, and O types with no problems. (That is an oversimplification, BTW. Hospitals would never do that today, of course, except in extreme emergencies.) Jesus the Christ is the Universal Recipient, able and willing to accept our failings, our sins, our blood upon Himself.

Interesting thought.

Very interesting, thanks!

 

[buffalo]

Shroud of Turin & Sudarium of Jesus

 

[patrick457]

There is another reason the Sudarium was folded off to one side. Under the customs of the day (and even into the Middle Ages), when the master was finished with the meal he would crumple the napkin and leave it on the table. If he intended to return, he would fold the napkin neatly and set it to one side.

I think Our Master intends to return!

I’d hate to rain on the parade, but there’s really no hard evidence historically that the Jews had such a custom at meals (and it’s been discussed a few times in these forums). I think it’s just one of those concocted pious stories for edification and strengthening the faith.

 

[patrick457]

Pope confirms visit to Shroud of Turin; new evidence on shroud emerges

…A recent study by French scientist Thierry Castex has revealed that on the shroud are traces of words in Aramaic spelled with Hebrew letters.

A Vatican researcher, Barbara Frale, told Vatican Radio July 26 that her own studies suggest the letters on the shroud were written more than 1,800 years ago.

She said that in 1978 a Latin professor in Milan noticed Aramaic writing on the shroud and in 1989 scholars discovered Hebrew characters that probably were portions of the phrase “The king of the Jews.”

more…

I’ve heard a variation on this, which says that there are supposedly inscriptions in Greek and Hebrew (with a little Latin) on the Shroud.

 

[jpy15026]

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[GodIsGracious]

P.S. AB- blood type is also known as “universal recipient”. That means that the person can accept blood from the A, B, and O types with no problems. (That is an oversimplification, BTW. Hospitals would never do that today, of course, except in extreme emergencies.) Jesus the Christ is the Universal Recipient, able and willing to accept our failings, our sins, our blood upon Himself.

Interesting thought.

When I read this part of your post, my thought was the opposite.

It is so that we can receive His precious body and blood, as He told us to do, in communion. Not to say that you’re wrong, I do tend to think from a “mirrored” POV.

So it could be that it goes both ways. Which is another way of being in communion.

 

[GodIsGracious]

So question, and this may be off topic it. If it is, I will gladly start a new thread.

What about those who say that the face on the shroud is too… uhm… “caucasian” to be Jesus? What is the response to that?

 

[buffalo]

This is really interesting:

Divine Mercy and Shroud of Turin

 

[patrick457]

So question, and this may be off topic it. If it is, I will gladly start a new thread.

What about those who say that the face on the shroud is too… uhm… “caucasian” to be Jesus? What is the response to that?

In what sense is the face “Caucasian”?