Pope Creates Commission to Address Peruvian University's Catholic Identity
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trickster
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Other than liberation theology and the removal of a Cardinal at the University’s Board of Directors…what is the jist of the university’s difference with the Vatican?
Bruce
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FrDavid96
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Here’s an important point:
The university itself is a former Pontifical University—that’s a very specific and legal designation.
Posters should keep that in mind before we read the inevitable comments about other universities. Unless those other universities are or were “Pontifical” it will be comparing apples to oranges. Hint: there are only 12 in the United States (counting the 2 in Puerto Rico).
The university itself is a former Pontifical University—that’s a very specific and legal designation.
Posters should keep that in mind before we read the inevitable comments about other universities. Unless those other universities are or were “Pontifical” it will be comparing apples to oranges. Hint: there are only 12 in the United States (counting the 2 in Puerto Rico).
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It is a fair question. I don’t have any detailed answer, however it seems the university has been steering a secular course for several decades. It has repeatedly refused any Church oversight.
Natale Amprimo, the archdiocese’s attorney, said that by 1994 the university had “completely abandoned a Catholic identity” and had withdrawn the archdiocese’s legal right to serve on the school’s board.
Amprimo told the Register that Cardinal Cipriani, the current archbishop, only discovered this recently — in the course of his efforts to intervene in “a shady financial operation” by the university “that was giving the Church a black eye.”
“Cardinal Cipriani was informed by the current university authorities that he had no right to intervene in the financial decisions, something he obviously contested,” Amprimo explained.
ncregister.com/daily-news/catholic-identity-is-at-heart-of-peru-universitys-clash-with-vatican/
Two years ago, the university directly refused the Vatican’s demand that it comply with Pope John Paul II’s guidelines for Catholic universities.
The university rector notified the Apostolic Nunciature in Peru on Monday that it would not convene an assembly to approve the reforms which were demanded by the Vatican as a condition for maintaining its status as a Catholic and Pontifical institution.
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University officials have been refusing to accept the Church’s guidelines for Catholic universities, which were laid out the papal document “Ex Corde Ecclesiae.” The apostolic constitution was promulgated in 1990 by Pope John Paul II to clarify what is expected of an authentically Catholic university.
An investigation of the university was carried out Dec. 5 -11, 2011 by Cardinal Peter Erdo of Budapest, who found the Lima-based institution to be at odds with the Catholic Church in several significant areas of policy.
catholicnewsagency.com/news/pontifical-university-in-peru-rejects-vatican-deadline/
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trickster
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Thank you Cotimundi. So the issue is the university makes a choice to be a regular university and not a pontifical university, which would mean that it still can produce knowledge in favour, against, or indifferent to the teachings of the church…that is allowed… but it should not represent itself as a Catholic institution… and that is party why the vatican titles were taken away?
Would that be a somewhat fair assessment?
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FrDavid96
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There are 2 types of “Catholic Universities” (basically).
- Pontifical means that the university has specific authority from Rome to grant ecclesiastical degrees, for example STB, STL, STD, JCL, JCD, etc. etc. These are degrees specifically recognized by the Church. As such, they must meet a higher standard of ecclesial oversight. Since the Church specifically grants those degrees, it’s only natural that the Church have more say in what’s being taught there. The Holy See very specifically oversees and approves their teaching (at least in theory–they don’t have someone sitting in on every class).
- Other universities can be associated with the Church and call themselves “Catholic”. In the US, most of these are Catholic because they are operated by religious orders, or by diocese. They can grant theology degrees like MA, MDiv, PhD, (in the US, Pontifical U’s also grant them).
In order to be called “Catholic” officially, the Church must still have some oversight, and this is usually done through a combination of the local bishop and the religious order (if applicable).
What is happening here is that the University already lost its status as “Pontifical” several years ago and is on the verge of losing its status as “Catholic” as well.
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trickster
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Eeeks, thats not good
Thanks for the updates…Yeah, I am applying for an MA Program here in Vancouver, it is run by the Vancouver Archdioces but affiliated with the University of British Columbia…interesting… I am sure that things will work out as they do…Take care.
Bruce Ferguson
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