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Aramis
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I would agree with that assessment.
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Adeodatus
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That is nothing but a mess of convoluted libel, calumny and falsehood.
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Cathryn
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The radical atheism (humanism) is the Culture of Death the Holy Father is warning not only the British, but the whole world about. I am sure he will continue to make his point. Scientific research using human embryos, medical euthanasia, and abortion are the horrors of this ideology. Much of secular society doesn’t even recognize it as a genecide or evil now. Even some Catholics don’t make the connection. So much of our culture thinks of these things as harmless or at least necessary. It is evil. The roots of this ideology are not in Christianity, but in radical atheism that declares there is no God. Once you declare there is no God and take this to it’s natural conclusion as the Nazis did, there is no reason to value human life. God bless the Holy Father. He needs our prayers.
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Bub
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1 - Adolf Hitler: Thanking God
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
2- Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Über Alles
I had so often sung ‘Deutschland über Alles’ and shouted ‘Heil’ at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
3 -Adolf Hitler: God’s Grace Smiles
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord’s grace smiled on His ungrateful children.
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.
But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.
Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the ‘remaking’ of the Reich as they call it.
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
2- Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Über Alles
I had so often sung ‘Deutschland über Alles’ and shouted ‘Heil’ at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
3 -Adolf Hitler: God’s Grace Smiles
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord’s grace smiled on His ungrateful children.
- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8
But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the ‘remaking’ of the Reich as they call it.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
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Adeodatus
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Another episode in the “Adolf Hitler was all about the Big Lie and telling people what they wanted to hear, except for when it came to religion… then he was totally honest.”
Sorry, no dice.
Sorry, no dice.
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PatrickSebast
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The point is that the people he was telling it to were Nazis. If it was what they wanted to hear then they clearly weren’t atheists. Hitler even condemned atheism quite a bit in some of his speeches because it was a part of his plan to make his people dislike Stalin and Russia. What he said in public may have been a lie, but it demonstrate a lack of atheism in his people.
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Adeodatus
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Actually, those quotes were from “My Struggle”, his book which he wrote while in prison in the mid-1920s. The book was published in like 1925.
Therefore, his audience were not Nazis. This book was part of him launching the next phase of his political career. His audience was ordinary Germans.
Really, you have to look into the historical facts just a little bit to have a discussion like this.
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edwest2
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I think the Pope was very clear. The Nazi leadership had to manipulate the people to get them to fight. People don’t die for nothing. Yes, on the belt buckle were the words: Gott mit uns. Literally, God with us.
A “young” voice does not automatically confer any knowledge whatsoever. It is a common misconception, especially in the United States, that the older generation has lost touch with the younger.
The world is not changing, just adopting more non-Christian philosophies. The Pope offered a clear reminder to the people of Great Britain and Commonwealth nations about their Christian heritage. A heritage that is under clear attack in Western Europe and the United States.
God bless,
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edwest2
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Mein Kampf was widely read outside of Germany as well, and was influential with certain politicians.
God bless,
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edwest2
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In an effort to get back to the roots of Aryan purity, certain Bronze Age rituals were performed.
God bless,
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edwest2
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After the passage of the Race Laws, German “scientists” were shown in a newsreel using calipers to measure the dimensions of the head of a member of the untermensch or inferior peoples. In 1927, the US Supreme Court made it legal to forcibly sterilize the unfit, the feeble-minded and mentally ill. A practice the Nazis would copy.
God bless,
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edwest2
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Sad. Then who were the atheist Bolsheviks fighting and dying for? Nobody?
Any group that wants to kill another group over ideology is bad.
You are confusing politics and manipulation with religious beliefs. You are also presenting a highly distorted picture of the relationship between the Nazi leadership and the Vatican.
users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html
God bless,
Ed
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AngloCatholic1
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All due respect to his holiness (and I sincerely mean that) but he’s NOT “infallible” when it comes to discussing politics (read your Catechism). You might as well ask him who’s going to win the next Superbowl. Besides, what’s all this constant fuss over nazism about anyway? I though this issue was over and done with 65 years ago?! Maybe some of them were pagans, maybe some weren’t. Who really cares? He may as well be warning us about the dangers of the Whig party for crying out loud! 
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Cathryn
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The Holy Father is not discussing politics. He is teaching that extremist exclusion of God leads to the devaluation of the human person (abortion, stem cell research with human embryos, euthanasia, etc.) :All due respect to his holiness (and I sincerely mean that) but he’s NOT “infallible” when it comes to discussing politics (read your Catechism). You might as well ask him who’s going to win the next Superbowl. Besides, what’s all this constant fuss over nazism about anyway? I though this issue was over and done with 65 years ago?! Maybe some of them were pagans, maybe some weren’t. Who really cares? He may as well be warning us about the dangers of the Whig party for crying out loud!
He said:
"As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” "(Caritas in Veritate, 29). Pope Benedict XVI
He is teaching as the Holy Father, the Vicar of Christ.
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Edmundus1581
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No copy, just right.
Is that copyright? I’d love to quote it each time I encounter this argument!
Quote away.
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Cetil
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The Pope is quite right to remind us of the consequences of banishing God from public life. This in fact is what the Nazis were doing, whatever appeals Hitler might have made to God. Hitler’s “Deism” was simply self serving. To treat human beings as commodities is to deny they are made in the image and likeness of God. It is worthwhile to recall the words of Benedict XVI at Auschwitz where he made a similar point:
"The rulers of the Third Reich wanted to crush the entire Jewish people, to cancel it from the register of the peoples of the earth. Thus the words of the Psalm: “We are being killed, accounted as sheep for the slaughter” were fulfilled in a terrifying way. Deep down, those vicious criminals, by wiping out this people, wanted to kill the God who called Abraham, who spoke on Sinai and laid down principles to serve as a guide for mankind, principles that are eternally valid. If this people, by its very existence, was a witness to the God who spoke to humanity and took us to himself, then that God finally had to die and power had to belong to man alone - to those men, who thought that by force they had made themselves masters of the world. By destroying Israel, by the Shoah, they ultimately wanted to tear up the taproot of the Christian faith and to replace it with a faith of their own invention: faith in the rule of man, the rule of the powerful."
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/may/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060528_auschwitz-birkenau_en.html
Present day secularists need to be reminded of the consequences of their actions. If we try to set up a “utopia” without God we set ourselves on a course for peril.
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"The rulers of the Third Reich wanted to crush the entire Jewish people, to cancel it from the register of the peoples of the earth. Thus the words of the Psalm: “We are being killed, accounted as sheep for the slaughter” were fulfilled in a terrifying way. Deep down, those vicious criminals, by wiping out this people, wanted to kill the God who called Abraham, who spoke on Sinai and laid down principles to serve as a guide for mankind, principles that are eternally valid. If this people, by its very existence, was a witness to the God who spoke to humanity and took us to himself, then that God finally had to die and power had to belong to man alone - to those men, who thought that by force they had made themselves masters of the world. By destroying Israel, by the Shoah, they ultimately wanted to tear up the taproot of the Christian faith and to replace it with a faith of their own invention: faith in the rule of man, the rule of the powerful."
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/may/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060528_auschwitz-birkenau_en.html
Present day secularists need to be reminded of the consequences of their actions. If we try to set up a “utopia” without God we set ourselves on a course for peril.
C.
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JReducation
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In one of his sermons, Fr. Wade Maneses, CFM said something that speaks to the objections being raised against the Holy Father in this thread. He reminded his audience that the Holy Father does not have to be infallible to command, to preach and to teach. The fact that he is the Vicar of Jesus Christ, speaking to the Body of Christ, is enough to warrant our attention and our obedience.
A child obeys and reveres the parent, because he is the parent. If we applied to our families the rules that we want to apply to the pope, there would be no family, no authority, not order in our homes. Every child would be free to brush aside anything that the parent says that is not infallible or has not been said under the umbrella of doctrine.
If infallibility were the requirement for assent to the authority of Peter, there would be very little for Peter to say, since it is rarely invoked. I believe that our demand for infallible statements is taken to the extreme of being abusive. Was Paul infallible? We know that he was not the Pontiff. But we do not question his authority. Neither were the other Apostles who founded the other Churches, but had not their followers accepted their teaching and their authority the Oriental Catholic Churches would have died a long time ago.
Were Benedict, Augustine, Albert, Basil, and Francis in fallible? No, they were not. But who would dare question or even alter a single letter of their rules? Even the popes have said that not a letter of those rules may ever be changed or challenged, but they are to be obeyed as they are written and may only be interpreted with the approval of the Holy See. Were this not so, the whole of religious life would have disappeared, since the Fathers of the consecrated life did not speak and teach infallibly. Yet, what they wrote and the laws that they gave have been obeyed by millions for hundreds of years and protected by the authority of the Church.
Let us be careful not to use the excuse of the non-infallible to dismiss the authority of the speaker and the authoritativeness of the spoken.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
A child obeys and reveres the parent, because he is the parent. If we applied to our families the rules that we want to apply to the pope, there would be no family, no authority, not order in our homes. Every child would be free to brush aside anything that the parent says that is not infallible or has not been said under the umbrella of doctrine.
If infallibility were the requirement for assent to the authority of Peter, there would be very little for Peter to say, since it is rarely invoked. I believe that our demand for infallible statements is taken to the extreme of being abusive. Was Paul infallible? We know that he was not the Pontiff. But we do not question his authority. Neither were the other Apostles who founded the other Churches, but had not their followers accepted their teaching and their authority the Oriental Catholic Churches would have died a long time ago.
Were Benedict, Augustine, Albert, Basil, and Francis in fallible? No, they were not. But who would dare question or even alter a single letter of their rules? Even the popes have said that not a letter of those rules may ever be changed or challenged, but they are to be obeyed as they are written and may only be interpreted with the approval of the Holy See. Were this not so, the whole of religious life would have disappeared, since the Fathers of the consecrated life did not speak and teach infallibly. Yet, what they wrote and the laws that they gave have been obeyed by millions for hundreds of years and protected by the authority of the Church.
Let us be careful not to use the excuse of the non-infallible to dismiss the authority of the speaker and the authoritativeness of the spoken.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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Edmundus1581
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Thankyou for that insight. I am sure that Benedict did not say these words (in England) in order to provoke argument, but rather as serious warning. Your insight here is helpful. There is also the warning that the exclusion of God which leads to the persecution of the vulnerable will eventually lead to totalitarian systems with more widespread and open persecution.
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edwest2
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Very well said. I think some regard the Holy Father as not very well educated (he was a University professor) or very savvy in presenting his ideas. He has a special charism as Pope that cannot be forgotten or ignored. I know some are offended that a mere man can speak to and influence just over a billion people. I know they reject what Christ said to His disciples: He who hears you hears me. (Luke 10:16) The Bible tells us how that those who would officially teach others are under greater scrutiny for their deeds in the time of judgment. The one who guides His flock on earth must always be careful of his words and actions.In one of his sermons, Fr. Wade Maneses, CFM said something that speaks to the objections being raised against the Holy Father in this thread. He reminded his audience that the Holy Father does not have to be infallible to command, to preach and to teach. The fact that he is the Vicar of Jesus Christ, speaking to the Body of Christ, is enough to warrant our attention and our obedience.
A child obeys and reveres the parent, because he is the parent. If we applied to our families the rules that we want to apply to the pope, there would be no family, no authority, not order in our homes. Every child would be free to brush aside anything that the parent says that is not infallible or has not been said under the umbrella of doctrine.
If infallibility were the requirement for assent to the authority of Peter, there would be very little for Peter to say, since it is rarely invoked. I believe that our demand for infallible statements is taken to the extreme of being abusive. Was Paul infallible? We know that he was not the Pontiff. But we do not question his authority. Neither were the other Apostles who founded the other Churches, but had not their followers accepted their teaching and their authority the Oriental Catholic Churches would have died a long time ago.
Were Benedict, Augustine, Albert, Basil, and Francis in fallible? No, they were not. But who would dare question or even alter a single letter of their rules? Even the popes have said that not a letter of those rules may ever be changed or challenged, but they are to be obeyed as they are written and may only be interpreted with the approval of the Holy See. Were this not so, the whole of religious life would have disappeared, since the Fathers of the consecrated life did not speak and teach infallibly. Yet, what they wrote and the laws that they gave have been obeyed by millions for hundreds of years and protected by the authority of the Church.
Let us be careful not to use the excuse of the non-infallible to dismiss the authority of the speaker and the authoritativeness of the spoken.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
Those few who revel in a false freedom to criticize all religion and to even call Christianity evil, have rejected the Gospel message, at least for now, and imagine some human Utopia or near Utopia. Catholics must consider the words of the Holy Father and be obedient.
God bless,
Ed
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