Pope Extends Overhaul of Vatican's Liturgy Department

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Pope Francis is extending his controversial overhaul of the Vatican’s liturgy department, adding a host of new advisers after an initial shake-up removed some leading conservative cardinals.
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The 17 new advisers named Saturday include priests, laymen and two women. The experts in liturgy and theology join 27 cardinals and bishops named as full members in October. That reshuffling removed tradition-minded cardinals Raymond Burke and George Pell from the roster, although other conservatives were kept on.
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It should be an exciting year!
 
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“The office is responsible for ensuring Masses and other sacraments are celebrated around the world according to Vatican standards. It is headed by Guinea’s conservative Cardinal Robert Sarah.”
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I am elated by the new nominations. They were a list of extraordinary women and men who will be able to help the Congregation to move in a direction both forward looking as well as forward thinking.
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What do you mean? I don’t get it
 
katy said:
What do you mean? I don’t get it
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This new group includes academics who are professors of liturgy from some of the best theological and most exceptional theological faculties in the world, gifted experts in the reform and the renewal of the liturgy that occurred in the wake of Sacrosanctum Concilium.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
This new group includes academics who are professors of liturgy from some of the best theological and most exceptional theological faculties in the world, gifted experts in the reform and the renewal of the liturgy that occurred in the wake of Sacrosanctum Concilium.
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What is the direction they need to be moving that is forward thinking?
 
Don_Ruggero said:
This new group includes academics who are professors of liturgy from some of the best theological and most exceptional theological faculties in the world, gifted experts in the reform and the renewal of the liturgy that occurred in the wake of Sacrosanctum Concilium.
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Will they be continuing Pope Benedict XVIs reform of the reform?
 
7_Sorrows said:
What is the direction they need to be moving that is forward thinking?
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…and these “forward thinking” people replaced compentent, faithful people such as Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Pell–who have already proven to be great, humble servants of the Church.
 
“Forward thinking” is a rather loaded term. In politics it means leftist. In liturgy it means back to the 70s. Dust off those tambourines and burlap vestments.
 
BenP said:
“Forward thinking” is a rather loaded term. In politics it means leftist. In liturgy it means back to the 70s. Dust off those tambourines and burlap vestments.
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I pray to God this never happens.
 
Sounds promising. We had a decade where things stagnated a bit but I guess Papa Francis decided break time is over! :cool:
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I am elated by the new nominations. They were a list of extraordinary women and men who will be able to help the Congregation to move in a direction both forward looking as well as forward thinking.
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ALL Liturgy is forward looking and thinking, in that it looks towards the Resurrection and the Second Coming.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
This new group includes academics who are professors of liturgy from some of the best theological and most exceptional theological faculties in the world, gifted experts in the reform and the renewal of the liturgy that occurred in the wake of Sacrosanctum Concilium.
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Good. While we made great strides in the renewal from 2011, too many parishes still have not implemented Sacrosanctum Concilium as was envisioned in the documents themselves. Too many people are unfamiliar with the Latin that belongs to the ‘proper parts’ of the liturgy that they should be able not to simply speak, but to know and understand. Time to install the communion rails again so that all who wish to receive Christ can do so to their fullest understanding (note: This does not mean that people cannot still receive communion 'standing and in the hand as well, if that is their desire, nor does it mean that the Precious Blood cannot be offered. But it does make it easier and less ‘disruptive’ for those who wish to receive kneeling and on the tongue in their full and active participation). Time to make liturgy more uniform and to make it absolutely, crystal clear to laity and clergy alike that ‘making up’ one’s own liturgy to be more relevant and fully participatory (because if it’s all made up, then one isn’t just ‘memorizing’ or doing things in a rote manner, right?) is not part of the Catholic Church and is not forward-thinking but rather regressing back to the gnostics and the Reformation! We are a people who are united in worship.
 
BenP said:
“Forward thinking” is a rather loaded term. In politics it means leftist. In liturgy it means back to the 70s. Dust off those tambourines and burlap vestments.
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Some people in the Church hierarchy have managed to sabotage otherwise great, noble concepts and values such as pastoral accompaniment, conscience, innovation, forward thinking, and so on. These things are good and have own great merits. But they are just simply noisy gongs if they are understood and applied without being completely truthful and faithful to Christ and the Magisterium.

Now, we are seeing new terms: “At peace with God.”

Really, who are they trying to fool?
 
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Tantum_ergo said:
Good. While we made great strides in the renewal from 2011, too many parishes still have not implemented Sacrosanctum Concilium as was envisioned in the documents themselves. Too many people are unfamiliar with the Latin that belongs to the ‘proper parts’ of the liturgy that they should be able not to simply speak, but to know and understand. Time to install the communion rails again so that all who wish to receive Christ can do so to their fullest understanding (note: This does not mean that people cannot still receive communion 'standing and in the hand as well, if that is their desire, nor does it mean that the Precious Blood cannot be offered. But it does make it easier and less ‘disruptive’ for those who wish to receive kneeling and on the tongue in their full and active participation). Time to make liturgy more uniform and to make it absolutely, crystal clear to laity and clergy alike that ‘making up’ one’s own liturgy to be more relevant and fully participatory (because if it’s all made up, then one isn’t just ‘memorizing’ or doing things in a rote manner, right?) is not part of the Catholic Church and is not forward-thinking but rather regressing back to the gnostics and the Reformation! We are a people who are united in worship.
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Thank you. “Forward thinking” can not include, I hope, things like the Life Teen movement fiasco founded by now a defrocked priest (Dale Fushek) who has since left the Church. The tambourines, the drums, the liturgical dancers, the gathering of people around the altar during consecration, priests leaving the altar during sign of peace to shake hands with the congregation, theme Masses, etc… must go.

The Mass belongs to Christ–not man. During Mass, we are called to be united with Christ. To that end, our prayers, actions and movements must amplify this unity. In contrast, this also means that all the actions and innovations that people pursue outside of the prescriptions for the Mass distract all from the Mass. We must also render all that is proper, reverent and respectful to Him. Active participation during Mass also means to remain silent so that our hearts, minds and souls can actually hear and be with God–which is the source of our spiritual nourishment.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
This new group includes academics who are professors of liturgy from some of the best theological and most exceptional theological faculties in the world, gifted experts in the reform and the renewal of the liturgy that occurred in the wake of Sacrosanctum Concilium.
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Has the list of these new additions popped up anywhere? I haven’t been able to find it.

Anyways, I agree Tantum Ergo, a lot of people are unfamiliar with Latin still, but I already see strides being made in implementing the reform in my own diocese. For the past two years, our pastor has brought Latin back into the liturgy by having us sing the “Agnus Dei” and “Sanctus” throughout Advent and Lent. We also chant the Our Father during this time, but in English. I can only hope that eventually, Latin will be used outside of these seasons, as Sacrosanctum Concilium called for: “teps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them”(SC 54).

Also, there is another nearby church in my diocese that is reconstructing its altar rail, after it was removed rashly during the turbulent 1970’s. The construction models for the new altar rail look really nice, and it should be finished sometime this year. I think the CDW has made some good strides for the Latin Church in recent years, especially with the “pro multis” translation correction being implemented.

I also visited my old parish in the archdiocese I used to live in this morning, and it seems my old pastor has been giving some great catechesis on what the Mass means during his homilies in recent weeks, with the Sunday school children (from the area public schools) in attendance. He’s been doing a great job telling the parishioners why the liturgy is uniform and why we do the things we do during the Mass, thoroughly explaining our traditions.

So I certainly pray that the new appointees carry on the true spirit of SC called for, and in looking forward, they do not neglect to look to our Fathers in the past for guidance. Since the Church is truly a living organism, we are always connected to the past; it wasn’t “another life” but the same life the Church has now. That’s why I love seeing the various traditions expressed in the liturgy, whether it’s in the Latin Rite, Byzantine Rite, or East Syrian Rite; it connects us more deeply to those who have gone before us and now intercede for us in the Communion of Saints.

As Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said in Summorum Pontificum, "In the history of the liturgy there is growth and progress, but no rupture. What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful. It behooves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer, and to give them their proper place.”
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Randolph said:
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Thank you. “Forward thinking” can not include, I hope, things like the Life Teen movement fiasco founded by now a defrocked priest (Dale Fushek) who has since left the Church. The tambourines, the drums, the liturgical dancers, the gathering of people around the altar during consecration, priests leaving the altar during sign of peace to shake hands with the congregation, theme Masses, etc… must go.
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“Left the Church” is quite an understatement - more accurately, charged with 10 counts of abusing minors, plead guilty to one, was barred from ministry, started a non-denominational group after the Bishop told him to cease, was subsequently laicized by Pope BXVI for his sexual crimes, and then excommunicated for starting a non-catholic community.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Fushek
 
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