Pope falls foul of German hosts by shunning seat belt

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Doubt it.
We are covering the business it is of the government whether or not a seat belt is used.

No, it would still not be the business of the government.
You are simply trying to bribe people into giving up rights.
I HAVE A RIGHT

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I have a right to make my kids orphans…
I have a right to make my wife widow…
I have a right to make my parents cry at my funeral…
I have a right to make my friends grieve me…

In shoRt…

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We pay insurance companies to assume the risk for us since we cannot afford to ourselves. Why shouldn’t they increase the price for an increase in risk?
My point is that if a group of people do not wear seatbelts, they have a higher risk. Do they need to disclose that to the insurance company? How does the insurance company ascertain that the information is valid? Do other drivers absorb the risk of not having to wear a seatbelt?

I know my accident would have cost more if I had no seatbelt. I went forward and was stopped by my seatbelt. A head injury would have cost my insurance company more that the over 10,000 that it did cost.

So, in New Hampshire is there a positive reinforcement to use seatbelts, ie lower risk rates for those who do?..or does the insurance industry assume all NH residents don’t use it, and rates are higher?

My state the fine is about 60…and I just found out that it is primary enforcement. I’ve been using the seatbelt for 23 years, I haven’t gotten a fine ever.

My motivation is not going through the windsheild, not avoiding the 60 dollar fine.
 
I HAVE A RIGHT

arguments with mold and cobwebs …
rights, rights, rights …
I have a right to make my kids orphans…
I have a right to make my wife widow…
I have a right to make my parents cry at my funeral…
I have a right to make my friends grieve me…

In shoRt…

I HAVE A RIGHT
If we are to be a free people, then we also have freedom to make choices you do not necessarily approve of.
 
My point is that if a group of people do not wear seatbelts, they have a higher risk. Do they need to disclose that to the insurance company? How does the insurance company ascertain that the information is valid? Do other drivers absorb the risk of not having to wear a seatbelt?
My experience as well as the information provided me by the insurance agents I have spoken with indicate that only those that do not use belts are charged extra for the higher risk.

They check up on this through records of crash data as well as traffic citations.
 
My point is that if a group of people do not wear seatbelts, they have a higher risk. Do they need to disclose that to the insurance company? How does the insurance company ascertain that the information is valid? Do other drivers absorb the risk of not having to wear a seatbelt?

I know my accident would have cost more if I had no seatbelt. I went forward and was stopped by my seatbelt. A head injury would have cost my insurance company more that the over 10,000 that it did cost.

So, in New Hampshire is there a positive reinforcement to use seatbelts, ie lower risk rates for those who do?..or does the insurance industry assume all NH residents don’t use it, and rates are higher?

My state the fine is about 60…and I just found out that it is primary enforcement. I’ve been using the seatbelt for 23 years, I haven’t gotten a fine ever.

My motivation is not going through the windsheild, not avoiding the 60 dollar fine.
There is no lower rates (as far as I know) on insurance in NH…yet it still remains the 3rd safest state.

Like you pointed out, laws don’t save people, they make their own decisions.
 
There is no lower rates (as far as I know) on insurance in NH…yet it still remains the 3rd safest state.

Like you pointed out, laws don’t save people, they make their own decisions.
Do you need to tell them that you wear a seatbelt when you get car insurance. (I’m assuming you live in NH, and I’m curious)Is there positive reinforcement (lower rates) for seat belt waiting NH residents? I can’t imagine no one wears them in NH

I got life insurance. I had to let them know if I smoked, drove a motorcycle etc I don’t do those things, I got a very good rate on my life insurance policy.

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The fine isn’t a deterent to me. It might be a deterrent for others, others might need to actually go through the windsheild before they start buckling up.
 
Do you need to tell them that you wear a seatbelt when you get car insurance. (I’m assuming you live in NH, and I’m curious)Is there positive reinforcement (lower rates) for seat belt waiting NH residents? I can’t imagine no one wears them in NH

I got life insurance. I had to let them know if I smoked, drove a motorcycle etc I don’t do those things, I got a very good rate on my life insurance policy.

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The fine isn’t a deterent to me. It might be a deterrent for others, others might need to actually go through the windsheild before they start buckling up.
I live in New England, so I’m close to the matter. That’s all I can say. I’ve had the privlege of needing to investigate purchase auto insurance in every New England state, Illinois, New York and Ohio, so I do know a little bit about the matter. The questinaare is pretty standard, though my insurace company (primarly brick and mortar) seems to ask less while online only insurance companies such as Gieco and Esurance tend to have very long questionaares.

For my company I entered my SSN, my age when I started driving and if I had any tickets. That was it.

My point has always been that the law dosn’t change anything…infact…if you look at the safest states and compare with the most dangerous states statics would indicate that states are better off not having a law.

I’m not debating the safey of a seatbelt itself…only that it should not be law and people (Despite the staticitis in satebelt’s favor) should be allowed to choose for tehmselves. The choice, I believe, makes people better, more aware drivers overall.
 
My point has always been that the law dosn’t change anything…infact…if you look at the safest states and compare with the most dangerous states statics would indicate that states are better off not having a law.
The law does change one thing, which likely reiterates your point.
It provides another avenue of prosecution and collection of funds.
 
Hey v, you know what? I’ve been doing some research.

Here in Australia we pay comparable tax rates to the US (when you factor in that we don’t have state income tax and have a slightly lower rate of corporate tax). With not a lot of extra tax money our governments manage to find a healthy dose of funding for private as well as public schools and hospitals.

No-one here has to take on debt the size of a mortgage to get through college or pay for medicall treatment. It’s not at the point where you can’t CHOOSE to pay some extra for a better school or a better level of healthcare, but few if any go without what they might need by way of education or essential healthcare.

What occurs to me is this - you guys pay an awful lot of money out to your governments. What on earth for? It really looks from where I stand like you’re all happier the less you get by way of tangible goods and services (like funding for healthcare) from them in return for your tax $.

Whenever government seeks to increase the amount of your money that it actually puts to use (from memory didn’t Obamacare essentially about increasing the government’s financial contribution to healthcare) the almightiest stink is kicked up. Why? Isn’t that at least partly why you pay taxes?

It’s like you’re so obsessed with keeping big boogerman government out of every facet of your lives that you possibly can it’s totally escaped your attention that you pay taxes precisely so that they WILL get involved where there’s need.

You call it ‘big government’ - I call it ‘big return on the investment you make by way of taxes’. Why are you so scared of governments that actually put the money the taxpayers entrust to them to work?
 
Hey v, you know what? I’ve been doing some research.

Here in Australia we pay comparable tax rates to the US (when you factor in that we don’t have state income tax and have a slightly lower rate of corporate tax). With not a lot of extra tax money our governments manage to find a healthy dose of funding for private as well as public schools and hospitals.
If the government funds your private schools, how do they stay private?
 
You call it ‘big government’ - I call it ‘big return on the investment you make by way of taxes’. Why are you so scared of governments that actually put the money the taxpayers entrust to them to work?
The money provided the government should not be there to suppress freedoms, it should be there to defend those freedoms.
 
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