Pope Francis’ Christmas 2017 Urbi et Orbi Message

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In his Christmas speech, the Pope mentioned Ukraine by invigorating and encouraging words.
…“We see Jesus in children who, together with their families, suffer from the violence of the conflict in Ukraine and its grave humanitarian repercussions; we pray that the Lord may soon grant peace to this dear country”…
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Today, as the winds of war are blowing in our world and an outdated model of development continues to produce human, societal and environmental decline,
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What is this ‘outdated model of development’? Why be vague and not mention the system by name or by describing it? I have no idea what the Holy Father means here.
 
Not capitalism per se, unless by that you mean the conduct of business without regard to justice and human dignity. The Holy Father’s remarks could apply as well to communism or socialism.
 
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Yes,agree…besides when there is debate about a model of development ,there isn t these options so in black and white. At least not nowadays… If you think of it,parties plan there strategies and policies and we look into them with more detail than " communist/ socialist or capitalist "
 
Why does Francis continually push this migrant baloney. It’s well known by now that the vast majority of them are not refugees - the are grown men looking to live in a place with a better economy.
 
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It doesn’t seem obvious to me. He could mean the socialist/communist countries where people are starving and have very little freedom.
 
This isn’ t a guessing game. It is a concept in itself.

Models of development is a concept applied in Politics and Economy though it may be applied to other specific concrete sectors.
In order to organize a society,Politics and Economics have their theoretical principles.
A model of development t is a theoretical proposal of a strategy applied to organize a sector,nation,region,etcetc
It would be a general reference of what one intends to make happen/ achieve in a certain reality.

Say experts will plan strategies that will take into account resources,geographical features, cultural traits,etc etc etc.etc of that specfic area,region,and the proposal would be a model of development .
 
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In less than a nutshell.
And there must be more than one senior specialist to explain what a “model of development” is in good English even applied to a specific area diffetent from Politics and Economics So that we raise the level/ bar a bit …and keep on learning.
 
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Yes, it is a guessing game. The Holy Father refers to a particular unnamed and not described model. He says it is outdated which is an odd adjective to use. I would think words like good or bad (morally) and good or bad (at producing certain results) would be more appropriate. Outdated suggests we are progressing toward some perfection.
 
It is technical. But me explaining it in English is kind of a monkey with a razor,Exnihilo.
It is a concept very much used.
Be spared from the pain of my explanation in Spanglish and perhaps look it up in concrete areas.
 
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Outdated suggests we are progressing toward some perfection.
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Looking to improve… Grounded on reality. It is aimed at concrete results. It isn’t something in the air…
And no,outdated isn t odd if you are familiar with the use of the term.
 
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I remembered that Pope John Paul II often did not mention the direct name, but described the system as, for example, make people “second-class” citizens.
Obviously, it was evident that he meant the communism system.
By the way, one of the phenomena of Pope John Paul II, he influenced the democratic processes in Poland and then these processes were gradually transported to the Ukraine.
We can say that his eleventh commandment was statement “not be afraid”…The assassination attempt on John Paul II, through the Turkish-Bulgarian-Kremlin traces, testified about the demoniac hatred of the empire of evil, who saw its imminent end, and afterwards the communism collapsed.
The mission of the Catholic Church in a different era is an important message applied to the context of its time.
The phenomenon of Pope Francis, in the taming of unbridled and wild capitalism.
I think there are the aspects of distributism in the vision of Pope Francis.
 
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Communism and Capitalism as worldviews do not go along with Christianity. But this isn’ t new.

From the Cathecism
  1. The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.” She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.
 
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Well what is it that is outdated to which the Holy Father refers then? His statement simply make no sense.
 
A model that doesn t make sense.
And we have to go through little and big and ask ourselves and make it right.
And pray as we breathe.
 
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