Pope Francis: ‘Evolution … is not inconsistent with the notion of creation’

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truetofaith said:
Genesis :1 says God created the sea creatures and land animals “according to their kind.”
To me, that means they did not evolve into other kinds of animals.
Man was definitely a separate creation…in the image of God.

There could be evolutionary changes within the “kinds” of animals but no evolving into a different kind.
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What is a human being?
Is a hominid that looks like a human but does not have soul a human being?
Who creates man’s body, his material form and substance? Is man the only being to have a material form?
If you believe God created man, then you must believe that God created other creatures that look similar to man.
Is man the only being to have a soul?
Who creates the soul?
So to have a human being, what is required?
  1. A body, and
  2. a soul.
Many creatures have bodies, only man has a soul. Evolution need not be such a scary thing if you allow God to be God.
 
ialsop said:
Thats not what theistic evolution is…theistic evolution is Gd creates each creature, and then once created, lets them evolve…
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I said earlier they evolve within their “kind.”
 
truetofaith said:
Don’t give me that "poof " garbage…read Genesis :1 and tell me what you think it says. 🤷
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Well, I think it says in the poetic style of the times in which it was written that God created everything. To treat Genesis as if it were a modern science textbook is to subscribe to the “poof” theory of creation. However you are free to interpret it that way if it gives you comfort. Just don’t insist that everyone else should do that too.
 
NeedsMercy said:
Bottom line of Genesis: God created. Genesis isn’t a science textbook. It doesn’t tell us HOW He created, just that He did.
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I learned in grammar school that the Bible is not a science book…but certain things are clear…God’s creation of man is given a lot of attention. Very definite on it being separate and not an evolution from an animal.
 
truetofaith said:
It doesn’t describe man evolving from any other creature.
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It doesn’t describe how the planets move around the sun, or about the earths magnetic field, or reproduction science, or DNA, or countless other scientific things.
 
truetofaith said:
I learned in grammar school that the Bible is not a science book…but certain things are clear…God’s creation of man is given a lot of attention. Very definite on it being separate and not an evolution from an animal.
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Please read what the Church teaches.
**We have a responsibility **to be educated in the faith and properly explain it to others.
Theology of the Body has a long discussion of Genesis.
Read the Catechism.
Read the writings of Pius and Benedict, and JP2 on the issue.
 
Yes, I don’t have a problem with evolution or the big bang at all. The big bang actually reminds me of Genesis. We’re not fundamentalists.

But for me it is just as important to keep in mind that we very likely don’t have the whole picture on creation or the development of human life in modern science as we see it today. They carbon date something or come up with some theory for the disappearance of the Neanderthals or the dinosaurs and then 10 years later, it’s totatly debunked for some new idea. I think a lot of our theories could be off, dramatically even. To me, this just confirms the limitations of human knowledge and the mystery of God. (but doesn’t discount evolution in some form under guidance of a creator)
 
clem456 said:
What is a human being?
Is a hominid that looks like a human but does not have soul a human being?
Who creates man’s body, his material form and substance? Is man the only being to have a material form?
If you believe God created man, then you must believe that God created other creatures that look similar to man.
Is man the only being to have a soul?
Who creates the soul?
So to have a human being, what is required?
  1. A body, and
  2. a soul.
Many creatures have bodies, only man has a soul. Evolution need not be such a scary thing if you allow God to be God.
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I don’t get your point…God gave the man, He formed from the earth, a soul when He breathed life into his nostrils.
 
ialsop said:
And that is what theistic evolution is. And the scientific evidence for evolution and religious evidence for creationism connect with theistic evolution.
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Theistic evolution is not limited to what you describe…in fact, I reject the view you describe.

There is nothing wrong with saying God created through the evolutionary process. He is more than capable of doing so.

This clip from the Noah movie demonstrates a form of theistic evolution well in my opinion and also demonstrates the figurative language of genesis.

youtu.be/OwSWRdbSQK0
 
Jon_S said:
It doesn’t describe how the planets move around the sun, or about the earths magnetic field, or reproduction science, or DNA, or countless other scientific things.
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Your changing the topic, pal…so this is where I get off !

No wonder the protestants say Catholics don’t believe the Bible.
 
clem456 said:
What is a human being?
Is a hominid that looks like a human but does not have soul a human being?
Who creates man’s body, his material form and substance? Is man the only being to have a material form?
If you believe God created man, then you must believe that God created other creatures that look similar to man.
Is man the only being to have a soul?
Who creates the soul?
So to have a human being, what is required?
  1. A body, and
  2. a soul.
Many creatures have bodies, only man has a soul. Evolution need not be such a scary thing if you allow God to be God.
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I thought all living things have a soul. 🤷

From CA:
The soul is the principle of life. Since animals and plants are living things, they have souls, but not in the sense in which human beings have souls. Our souls are rational–theirs aren’t–and ours are rational because they’re spiritual, not material.
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truetofaith said:
Your changing the topic, pal…so this is where I get off !

No wonder the protestants say Catholics don’t believe the Bible.
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Protestants…well actually a small group of fundamentalists… Think that. Even when I was evangelical Protestant most of the evangelicals I knew held to a figurative beginning of genesis and some version of theistic evolution.

Ironically enough, I have run into more literalists in the Catholic Church via these forums. I don’t understand why that is.

Genesis says nothing about the how of creation.
 
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